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received two sets today--both w cents have splotches on obv and rev and small black spot on rev--sending back for a refund--
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Here's a question, if I were to buy a slabbed 2019w cent at lets say PF 69 or PF 70 will it exhibit these marks these cents are plagued with?
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received two sets today--both w cents have splotches on obv and rev and small black spot on rev--sending back for a refund--

I'm thinking that you'll get $0.00 back since these were a no cost "gift".


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Here's a question, if I were to buy a slabbed 2019w cent at lets say PF 69 or PF 70 will it exhibit these marks these cents are plagued with?

In theory they should not. However, newly slabbed coins sometimes have such imperfections appear after being in the slab for a while. If you're going to go the slab route, I would personally recommend waiting a year or two. The added benefit is that the hype will have calmed down by then and likely the prices will have too.
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I'm not sure what I will do yet. I am seeing some PF 69's for around $40. I contacted the seller about potential spotting and was told that places like NGC or PCGS generally don't slab coins with marks but can occur after slabbing. Also said the batch they sent into NGC didn't have spots. Already had to return a raw coin back for a refund and I don't wanna keep ordering and returning do get a decent piece.
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The way these pennies come packaged I can't imagine many, if not any, 70's.
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There are actually a lot of 70's on ebay...I would agree with you though!
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I'm not sure what I will do yet. I am seeing some PF 69's for around $40. I contacted the seller about potential spotting and was told that places like NGC or PCGS generally don't slab coins with marks but can occur after slabbing.

That's crazy. These are high mintage common proof cents. They're $5 coins and most are not worthy of being slabbed. Watch the videos on YouTube showing how PCGS and NGC handle coins with their bare hands. There's no way I'd buy one at that price. I like these, but let's not get carried away.
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Watch the videos on YouTube showing how PCGS and NGC handle coins with their bare hands.


Which is how coins are supposed to be handled. Gloves do far more harm than clean hands
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Gloves make them easier to drop. They also transfer contaminants just as easily as bare hands.
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I've always used clean gloves and have never dropped a coin. Clean gloves prevent oils from being transferred. The guys at PCGS and NGC don't even wear masks. This likely explains why many of the coins that didn't have spots get them.
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The guys at PCGS and NGC don't even wear masks. This likely explains why many of the coins that didn't have spots get them.

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BUT...they are spots (bought and paid for) from professionals!

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I've always used clean gloves and have never dropped a coin. Clean gloves prevent oils from being transferred. The guys at PCGS and NGC don't even wear masks.


Gloves carry dust and dirt and transfer it much easier than clean hands do. Doctors wear gloves for their protection not the patients.

Take a brand new coin push your fingers all over the face of it, wait months or even a year or two the vast majority will show absolutely nothing. As far as circulated classic coins they've already been handled countless times.


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This likely explains why many of the coins that didn't have spots get them.


No it doesn't. That's an issue with the mint that mints around the world have been trying to solve when it comes to milk spots and the like. Others are just sloppy quality control at the mint.
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Well, I finally got around to checking my proof sets out and I'm pleased with them overall. Both W cents are flawless to my eye.

Now comes storage... do I just put them in the special envelope and hope they don't get scratched or break them out and put them in flips or send them in for grading... hmmm
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Gloves carry dust and dirt and transfer it much easier than clean hands do. Doctors wear gloves for their protection not the patients.

It's not about the dust and dirt. It's about the oils from fingers getting transferred to the coins. New disposable cotton gloves are clean, not dirty. Doctors wear surgical gloves, not the disposable cotton gloves that are used to handle coins (by the edges).


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No it doesn't. That's an issue with the mint that mints around the world have been trying to solve when it comes to milk spots and the like. Others are just sloppy quality control at the mint

I'm not talking about milk spots. I'm talking about the small black spots that develop on coins after they've been slabbed. Sometimes it does happen on coins straight from the mint, but often it happens on recently slabbed coins that previously had no evidence of spots at all. I do agree that it's caused by poor quality control, it just that often the poor quality control is on the part of the 3rd party graders.

When I first got in to collecting silver eagles, I was surprised at how many of the bullion coins had issues. I talked with one dealer at a show who explained that the vast majority of spots and scratches on bullion ASE's are caused by poor handling. His bullion coins all looked great with no spots or rub marks. He said that he only buys mint sealed rolls to avoid problem coins. He went on to say that he used disposable cotton gloves when handling them and wears a mask. To this day, none of the ASE's that I purchased from him have developed any spotting. He suggested looking at rolls in clear tubes from the side. The ones that have been handled and culled through will inevitably have finger marks on the edges. I was looking for the 1995-W proof ASE. He advised me to buy it slabbed, but to make sure that it had been slabbed for a year or two prior to buying it because newly slabbed coins often develop spots due to poor handling at the 3rd party grading services or because a problem area is exposed to air during the evaluation and slabbing process. I've seen plenty of slabbed 70's that absolutely wouldn't have been given a 70 if they had arrived at the 3rd party grading service looking like they do now.

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Clean gloves prevent oils from being transferred



So what y'all are basically saying is "You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't"
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