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10 Gulden 1935 - Environmental Damage

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 Posted 01/01/2020  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jazon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
grading: UNC Details (Environmental Damage) NGC

This is corrosion or only marks from remove corrosion?

10-Gulden-1935---Environmental-Damage
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 Posted 01/01/2020  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure that it matters much. Probably both. Once corroded, some original metal is converted to a different substance than the metal and some of the original metal is lost forever. Attempts to remove the new substance are rarely complete and only leave a hole where the original metal was.
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 Posted 01/01/2020  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree: it does not really matter if the corrosion substances have been removed or not.

The damage has already been caused by the corrosion.
Fortunately, in this case, the damage is only very little.

It is an attractive coin anyway!
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 Posted 01/02/2020  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jazon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like this coin very much, so I wanted to know if the corrosion was removed correctly and now nothing no longer 'eats' a coin?
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My copy of Krause:
KM# 159
Danzig, 1935 10 gulden, nickel (I presume pure nickel).
Mintage: 380,000.
Krause lists value at
XF: $1,259
Unc: $3,750
BU: $7,000.

I have no idea why a coin with such a large mintage should be valued so high, but I notice that all of the Free City coins of Danzig of this period have a high value.
Perhaps? they were not issued, or perhaps? all were withdrawn from circulation, and almost all were melted.
This is one of the survivors.

Two considerations:
1. Careful thought need to be taken, before any action is decided upon.
2. On (my) presumption that the coin is pure nickel, the ability to resist corrosion is important. Is the coin magnetic? (pure nickel IS magnetic, copper nickel is not).

Action to be taken: NONE!
Why?
Especially with a coin of this value. (1.)
Pure nickel is a bit like aluminium. If you scratch it, a fresh atom thick oxide layer instantly forms, which protects the metal underneath. (2.)
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I don't think that nickel suffers from "bronze disease", where the corrosion products cause further damage to the coin. So in this case it does not matter if all the corrosion products are removed or not.

I do not have this coin in my collection.

I think that, like many German pure nickel coins, they were withdrawn from circulation during WWII for the war effort.
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Your answer is war. In 1939, Gulden was exchanged for German mark, so it can be assumed that a significant proportion of the coins have been melted. In Kopicki from 1995 (the most extensive and probably the best catalog of Polish coins) this coin has R5 (26-126). Today it is known that there are more of these coins. I think R2 (3001-15000). Of course, I wasn't going to do anything with this coin. I was just wondering if I remove coin from grading, the corrosion would not increase with time.
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And this is why I am here because I learn something new from the forum almost every time I am here had no clue as to the rarity of these coins I am assuming only the nickel ones but may have to simply read more about them now. As far as your coin is this not a prime example for NGC or PCGS conservation service or some professional conservation service? And if so would it still receive a details grade afterwards? Any thoughts?
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I will be surprised if this coin does not sell well above the Heritage estimate of $1200-1500, since it just sold in September for $1900, and there are a lot of high selling prices for better grade examples like this one.

Good luck if you are bidding on it.
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