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The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Looking good!  Down to 1391CE/AH793.  |
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1391 CE (AH 793) AR Tanka Bahmani Sultans GG# BH051 I was going to put off purchasing this and the 1393 tanka until later this year, but not wanting want to risk them being sold off before then, I changed my mind! Again, this is the sellers pic until my coins are in hand, at which time I will post my own pics. Speaking of which, I will post my own pics of all of the tankas that I have received so far, later today in http://goccf.com/t/461980 The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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I'll hold off posting a 1390. I think @j1m had tdziemia listed having an 'emission of 1391' to be added?  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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I think @j1m had tdziemia listed having an 'emission of 1391' to be added? I believe so, yes! (I'm also hoping that the 1393/94 Polish coin posted in the Lovely Lowly Liard thread turns out to be a less-than-year range, but unfortunately I probably wouldn't be able to find out one way or another. The type is apparently attributed as Kubiak 76, but Kubiak's 1970 catalog does not appear to be online? I've seen some articles - sadly I've forgotten which - listing that subtype as "1393/94" and the next one as "1394-95" [sic] which does suggest a shorter range for this one, but I couldn't find anything giving more specific dates, so I don't know which year has the majority of the range. It also appears to be by far the most common subtype of the series, which makes narrow datings less plausible, though that could be an artifact of a larger mintage at the start of a new series.) Looking forward to seeing pics of your 1393 tanka when it arrives, and (at this rate probably later) in the 7th edition if/when it gets there. Would certainly get around the confusion over whether tdziemia's coin counts... (I believe the crossover date had now been pushed into July, and we should probably be expecting a few more minor stalls on the way. I wonder how far into the 1380s we'll be by then; some dates in there are very tricky.) FWIW, my re-read of the text I previously quoted (as well as some further sources) had led me to reinterpret it as saying that the minting in Geertruidenberg had not continued into 1395 (indeed some other sources suggest that the mint had returned to Dordrecht by then) and probably didn't last very long into 1394 either. Plausibly this particular type had indeed been minted for less than a year. (But, again, approximately all the sources focus on the full groots - when they bother with the silver at all and not just the gold - and say nothing specific about the 1/4 groot.) |
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Here is a sneak peak, but it's inclusion will have to wait until edition 7 catches up a bit more! I should have it and the recent posts in Australia within 4 weeks. The issues with the dating of the 'emissions' and the 'lowly liard' (how cute!) do make it hard to interpret one way or the other, but I must say that the group of interested numismatists in CCF are doing an excellent job of researching to get down to the facts. A most enjoyable read for those of us on the sidelines.  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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05/08/2024 03:43 am
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I think @j1m had tdziemia listed having an 'emission of 1391' to be added?  Quote:
Here is a sneak peak, but it's inclusion will have to wait until edition 7 catches up a bit more! Very nice! |
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Sorry, I thought ttkoo's post of a 1391 coin (purchased but not yet in hand) was being counted for 1391. Here is my submission for 1391, a groot of the County of Holland, Van der Chijs 6, VII.5. Most recent auction listings just call this an undated 1391 coin, though earlier ones classified it as "Emission of 1391." I donlt know if this means there is some more recent scholarship that has narrowed the date.   Also somewhat interesting is the observation than many of the examples that can be found on acsearch have had a test chunk taken like this. |
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@tdziemia
Apologies unnecessary.
I think I did all I could and possibly more to confuse everyone about what I have, what I don't have yet or what I hope to get!!!
I'm loving the early coinage posted by you, Spence and others from over Europe, your 1391 groot is no exception.
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For 1390 it should come as no surprise that I have this AH 792 AR tanka from Bahmani Sultanate, being ruled at that time by Muhammad Shah II  I have a recently purchased Timurid Empire 1389 (AH 791) AR dirham (miri), issued by Amir Timur in the name of Chaghataid Khan Mahmud (an installed puppet), but in fairness to allow the 7th edition to creep closer, I won't post it until it arrives from Canada. Once it is posted, I see the road block being firstly 1386 and finally 1381. To get that far back I think we need to get JohnConduitt back in the game, but that has proved impossible thus far. And unless @j1m knows of another 1381 holder, perhaps this edition stops there. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Sorry, I thought ttkoo's post of a 1391 coin (purchased but not yet in hand) was being counted for 1391. It was, but we still wanted to see yours!  Quote:
For 1390 it should come as no surprise that I have this AH 792 AR tanka from Bahmani Sultanate, being ruled at that time by Muhammad Shah II Fantastic!  |
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I am also in discussions with a CCF member who has a different 1389 coin, and with some gentle persuasion it may get posted sooner than mine.  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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I am also in discussions with a CCF member who has a different 1389 coin, and with some gentle persuasion it may get posted sooner than mine.  |
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Moving along again, my coin for 1389 is a Timurid AR "miri" or dirham, minted in the name of the the Chaghatai Khan Mahmud, a nominal (but powerless) overlord of Tamerland and Tamerlane himself. Apparently a nice example of a coin of one of the cruelest and infamous rulers of all times! Obverse: Sultan Mahmud Khan / Amir Timur Kurkan and Tamerlane's tamgha ("three annulets" tamgha) Reverse: Naskh legend: Shahada la ilah illa Allah / Muhammad Rasul Allah ("There is no deity except God, Muhammad is the messenger of God") followed by the date and mint " Zarb Samarqand (79)1"; inside a dotted square. The 1 of the date is at 7k on the reverse. Khan Mahmud died in AH 800, and while there is an AR miri dated AH 801, it cites Mahmud posthumously.  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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05/20/2024 02:17 am
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