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There looks to be an identical 2 mites on MA Shops ATM. It is listed as 1388 A.D. (1388 n.Chr). It is attributed as Ref. Vanhoudt G2638 | Deschamps de Pas 8.21. I have sent a question to MA Shops asking how the date was determined. https://www.ma-shops.com/hollandia/....php?id=4085The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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So I was just looking at some Delhi Sultans tankas, hoping to fill up some more early dates, and just now came across a tanka of Firoz Shah with a retrograde date of 079....790! I have purchased this and should have it in a few weeks. Hopefully @tdzemias 2 Mites gets authenticated by MA shops beforehand. At USD4.00, my tanka is cheap insurance  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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There seem to be enough auctions ... dating it to 1388 for that to be plausible, but I can't figure out where the dating comes from!  Quote:
So I was just looking at some Delhi Sultans tankas, hoping to fill up some more early dates, and just now came across a tanka of Firoz Shah with a retrograde date of 079....790!
I have purchased this and should have it in a few weeks. Hopefully @tdzemias 2 Mites gets authenticated by MA shops beforehand.  |
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While we ponder @tdz's Double Mite, here is another example of this coin. Overall, these two coins make quite a nice pair I think and I'm glad to have secured this one in a trade as it helped us both fill in some holes.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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While we ponder @tdz's Double Mite, here is another example of this coin. Overall, these two coins make quite a nice pair I think and I'm glad to have secured this one in a trade as it helped us both fill in some holes. @Spence, what is your take on the dating of these double mites? The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Well since you are asking, I tend to be pretty trusting of the sellers' descriptions. I personally don't own either of the reference books, so defer to those who know more than I do. For example, I believe that @tdz is a pretty high up contributor to numista on medieval Low countries and so if they say it is datable to 1388, then that is good enough for me.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Maybe we should start a thread in the ancients subforum for posting (pre-1600, or maybe pre-1500?) datable coins with explanations
like "this coin is datable to the year X because of Y, here's a quote from catalog Z"
(maybe with exceptions from catalog quotes for coins that straight-up have a date, though there should still be an explanation for where the date is and what it says)
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Maybe we should start a thread in the ancients subforum for posting (pre-1600, or maybe pre-1500?) datable coins with explanations
like "this coin is datable to the year X because of Y, here's a quote from catalog Z" Not a bad idea. |
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Maybe we should start a thread in the ancients subforum for posting (pre-1600, or maybe pre-1500?) datable coins with explanations...like "this coin is datable to the year X because of Y, here's a quote from catalog Z"
(maybe with exceptions from catalog quotes for coins that straight-up have a date, though there should still be an explanation for where the date is and what it says) Like a ready reference.... great idea The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
Edited by ttkoo
05/30/2024 7:25 pm
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I think I've found the answer and (if true) it's a sad one. Munthandel G. Henzen, halfway down the page for Vlaanderen... Quote:
De aanmunting van dit munttype nam in oktober 1388 aan aanvang in het muntatelier van Gent, hetgeen tot 18 november 1389 voortduurde. Vervolgens werd aanmunting vanaf 3 november 1390 hervat te Mechelen, hetgeen tot 24 juni 1392 voortduurde. Tot slot vond vanaf 1 juni 1392 verreweg de grootste productie plaats te Brugge, die zou voortduren tot 16 juni 1402. Onderscheidende kenmerken zijn er niet, zodat individuele exemplaren niet naar muntplaats zijn te ordenen. Or, in Google translation: Quote:
The coinage of this coin type started in October 1388 in the mint workshop of Ghent, which continued until November 18, 1389. Mining was then resumed in Mechelen from November 3, 1390, which continued until June 24, 1392. Finally, from June 1, 1392, by far the largest production took place in Bruges, which would continue until June 16, 1402. There are no distinguishing features, so individual copies cannot be classified according to mint location. Apparently the 1388 attribution is from Vanhoudt; I'm not sure where they got it from. EDIT: Henzen's coin on MA Shops. Edited by january1may
05/31/2024 08:39 am
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Bummer...oh well, disappointing, but onwards and upwards. Nice detective work @j1m.
When you say "if it is true", is there doubt about that report?
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Bummer, indeed. Well, the title remains as the (re)search continues.  |
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Maybe we should start a thread in the ancients subforum for posting (pre-1600, or maybe pre-1500?) datable coins with explanations
like "this coin is datable to the year X because of Y, here's a quote from catalog Z"
(maybe with exceptions from catalog quotes for coins that straight-up have a date, though there should still be an explanation for where the date is and what it says) I think this could be a very nice project for those with an interest. Ideas on how to make it workable and not over "clunky" ? My thoughts. Perhaps called Dateable Coin Register (DCR) and sticky it in the Ancients Forum Every posted entry could have an ascending registration number eg. DCR0001, DCR0002 etc. When adding that reference to a post in say HFBCWG, the OP could cite the reg number AND the page number of the DCR that it resides in, which would make it easier to search for by other members. It would include both affirmed dates and also refuted ones, such as @j1m has uncovered. Your feedback? The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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