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Welcome back, @JohnConduitt! Good to have you back in the game. I have managed to get sucked down the rabbit hole while you were off.  Quote:
This happened very often with the Golden Horde. The die cutters got 7 and 8 the wrong way up, presumably because in Arabic they look like up and down chevrons, which is confusing when you're working on a mirror image. I have a coin dated 778 (vv^) which was actually inverted 887 (^^v) which itself was a mirror of 788 (v^^ - pity this website can't cope with other scripts!) i.e. from the time of Tokhtamysh (which is known as it says Tokhtamysh on the coin). Yes, I understand. And regarding the site not coping with other scripts, I can't understand how the preview function does show Arabic without problems but not so the finished post. Anyway, your Tulyak dang is a fine example, with quite a nice strike compared to others. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Sorry Amigos, the Venice 1382 also my one and only. I really appreciate being thought of, however.
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No apologies necessary, Collects82. We would all like to see it anyway. People talk about it around campfires The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Wonderful examples, T and JC!  Quote:
Sorry Amigos, the Venice 1382 also my one and only. I really appreciate being thought of, however.  Quote:
No apologies necessary, Collects82. We would all like to see it anyway.  |
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 John Conduitt! Looking forward to (hopefully) seeing some more participation from you for the 1370s, and maybe, with some luck, even 1360s (and of course the 1400s, 1390s, and 1380s in the other thread). I believe you had a coin from 1409 - maybe you'll manage to post it in the other thread before the 1408 shows up  |
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I believe you had a coin from 1409 - maybe you'll manage to post it in the other thread before the 1408 shows up  |
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Thank you. Yes I will keep an eye on this thread. Although it's pretty tricky finding coins that are attributable to a single year unless they have the date on them.
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Although it's pretty tricky finding coins that are attributable to a single year unless they have the date on them. Fortunately a lot of Central Asian (and Indian) places had been pretty good at putting the (Islamic) date on their coins in the 14th century AD Spelling it right, now, that was much harder... |
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1379 CE AR Dang AH 781 Al-Sultan Tokhtamish Khan ("Sultan Tokhtamish Khan") Zarb dar Azak and retrograde date (187 = 781) ("Minted in the city of Azak in 781). I have attributed it as Sagdeyeva #366, but not 100% certain.   The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Fantastic! This topic is beginning to gap the 7th. Those wanting to see an 8th need to motivate!  |
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The weekend is coming up and I will be radio silent as per usual. Feel free to pump the brakes so that the 7th can catch up, or do your best to reach 1376/778 on Monday.   |
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This groat from the County of Holland is from an emission of 1378, Van der Chijs Vol. 6, Plate 6 #25, N#131952. I have not tried to read van der Chijs description as j1m did for some of the 1390s issues, to understand how likely it is to have been struck in the single year, so maybe we wait for another,(or for someone willing to try and read the Dutch)?   |
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Beyond my reckoning, by a long shot. What say you @j1m ?
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Can't say for sure. I think signs point to yes but it's very confusing? The same (probably well-researched) auction at Heritage that I mentioned regarding the 1393 coins explicitly attributes it to 1378. So do most other auctions. I've seen sporadic mentions of 1378-1385, 1378-1388, and, in one case, 1380-1382 (!!) cited to the same reference (Grolle, which I hadn't managed to access yet). A lot of sources say "emission of 1378" and do not elaborate further. Jaarboek 1958c claims (on p. 132) that there are two subvariants, distinguished by punctuation but also of slightly different weight and fineness, one of which was probably struck in 1378 and the other probably later. (They aren't very sure.) The punctuation on your coin matches the first subvariant. I tried to check out the description of the type in van der Chijs but there didn't seem to be any relevant dates at all. |
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It's a tough one agreed. As you say, most auction houses and https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces131952.html are specific on 1378. I am inclined to say it is a 1378. That's my vote anyway. It's certainly worthy of further discussion, for sure. In the meantime, I'll put up my AH 780 / 1378 Amirs of Astarabad, AR 6 dirham. Obv: Mint and date in words in looped quatrefoil Rev: Shia Kalima in Hexafoil and the name of 12 Shia imams around. Type D Album 2343.1. cf.Zeno 324927  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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