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The websites on the other hand are a bit overwhelming for the newbie since there is too much to look for and they need a curated guide. QFT When I started this hobby in April, that was my biggest complaint about the online guides. The volume of information is staggering, and it is categorized similar to paper file folders. An expert who knows what they are looking for can locate listings quite quickly. Also, the modern coins people are likely to search are cents and nickels, and the current crop has a huge array of slightly different VIII/IX doubles of little lines in doors and tiny bits of legs next to columns. If I were to start a coin blog, that would be one of the first articles written. Part 1, how to actually navigate the reference sites. Part 2, the most common interesting and valuable coins on the reference sites, each explained in one crystal clear sentence. Part 3, how to check the cool coin you just found using multiple reference sites, and how to document your findings to be evaluated on CCF or some other forum. |
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Thanks for the responses Brand and datadragon.
Please share that guide with us if you do make an article for that, Brand. I do like that they cover many varieties, but they are confusing to someone like me who doesn't know how to navigate it yet.
Does anybody have any variety YouTube channels to recommend? I am subscribed to BlueRidge, JBCoins (where is J? Hope he's well), TreasureTown, HalfDolla', etc., and would like more recommendations, especially those that give a vast amount of information on varieties.
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I'm looking at the DDO section of Lincoln cents on Variety Vista right now. It's actually not confusing to sort through (didn't notice/forgot that the different mint sources have different sections (P,D,S). I would like to understand the FS system though. It's explained at least somewhat in the CherryPickers' Guide, but I don't understand it. Edited by CozyCoin
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PCGS article summarizing FS numbersFivaz-Stanton numbers from the Cherrypicker's Guide basically use a numbering system like a library. The most common sections of interest on modern coins are Doubled Die Obverse (101+), Mint Mark Variety (501+), Doubled Die Reverse (801+). As new discoveries are made for a particular year-mintmark combination, Fivaz and Stanton just add additional entries in numerical order.
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Thanks, Brand. I'm going to have to work on getting used to it. :)
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Unless people are being obtuse, they generally say DDO, DDR, or another descriptive term right in the text. |
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A new numbering system was introduced in the second volume of Cherrypicker's Guide republished in 2006, and a translation chart for volume one is included in appendix. So that should still be in the latest release of Volume 2 if you want to double check your copy. My main issue originally was the slightly different numbering on the different online sites. Sometimes you might watch a video or see a reference to a coin with a particular sites # or the FS number etc. Either you can use the strike it rich book which usually shows the number for each site for the ones it covers which is yet another reason its helpful to those new or can also try wexler's https://doubleddie.com/ which lists Cross References: for many under the listing. This may be helpful mostly when you need further pics or sometimes a place like coppercoins might have values and can cross reference etc. I think the main things most miss initially are the actual rarity of a coin such as how many are found in that top grade worth the big bucks shown in a video vs other grades below it or how many of the variety with a value are known. Quote:
If I were to start a coin blog, that would be one of the first articles written. Part 1, how to actually navigate the reference sites. Part 2, the most common interesting and valuable coins on the reference sites, each explained in one crystal clear sentence. Part 3, how to check the cool coin you just found using multiple reference sites, and how to document your findings to be evaluated on CCF or some other forum. You can certainly do that also here on the forums if you wish which would be helpful. |
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As a critique I have to say that they need to do a better job of this. Their FS designations pop up everywhere, but if they decide not to publish it, it doesn't get designated. As a repository of varieties they come up short. I know it's a big job, but they don't have a website like VarietyVista or Wexler, so they receive submissions that are clearly legitimate varieties and then it goes into a black hole because it wasn't deemed worthy of publication. I don't know how to define their responsibilities but it's as if someone like Crosby, Noe or Salmon publishes a new edition on New England coinage and goes "nah, I'm not going to include that one." To me the prestige of having these FS designations being so widely promoted involves a responsibility of completeness.
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"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thanks @westcoin, looks like its selling well. No worries to those who didnt order already. It says: is nearing a sellout. (and available to buy on whitman if not elsewhere you buy books). Whitman Publishing will order a second print run to keep up with collector demand, with no interruption in availability. However with the cherrypickers books its better to get one when its around then wait as I found when I sold my Volume I, 5th edition after they had announced a reprint in book form of the Volume I, 6th edition that still has not come. So I've mostly been using the kindle for now until it does which is 5th edition.
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datadragon, can you even sell older editions? It seems that if they drop listings between editions, that you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings.
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datadragon, can you even sell older editions? It seems that if they drop listings between editions, that you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings. Hi Brandmeister, you always should check such as mega red books that are older have a special section devoted to a type of coin in each one that is different so keeping them despite not being new info on the pricing for the rest is one example, and if the new 3 volumes of cherrypickers books miss some info you want or will need to still reference from an older edition then keeping the older version is a good idea but of course if its print you could sell if you wanted. In my personal case I happen to have it also in digital and my housing situation isn't settled beyond short term, so both for space and not necessarily needing a duplicate print for that one I let it go but would have been nice to keep as I prefer print when possible. I also note which books might be costly to replace later if required and try to put those lower on letting go as far as potentially temporarily downsizing for space reasons right now. |
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you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings I don't have the new one, but my understanding is that there would be a list in the back of the removed listings. So you could look them up but it won't tell you much. Perhaps someone with the new one can tell us what's in the back. |
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datadragon, I sold my 5th edition set too! Made a killing when the pair climbed over $240 on ebay. I couldn't justify keeping them at those prices. I think I paid maybe $60 for both copies? Also sold my 4th edition book. I made almost $300 clear after fees. But still don't have the newer books. I do have 3rd edition copy signed to me by both Bill and JT on my birthday as a keepsake. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Quote:datadragon, I sold my 5th edition set too! Made a killing when the pair climbed over $240 on ebay. I couldn't justify keeping them at those prices. I think I paid maybe $60 for both copies? Also sold my 4th edition book. I made almost $300 clear after fees. But still don't have the newer books. I do have 3rd edition copy signed to me by both Bill and JT on my birthday as a keepsake. Thats good, Westcoin, sounds like you made the best of the situation and yes I would keep a signed copy like that as well unless someone was getting out completely for some reason. I had timed my sale actually when they mentioned a reprint of Volume I sixth edition after release of Volume II 6th in 2022, and posted in this thread earlier. I figured I'd just use the digital a few months until I had a newer hard copy in hand. http://goccf.com/t/376384&whichpage=3#3762865 but for some reason Vol II was delayed until now. I havent asked yet so I'm not sure what the plans are still for a reprint of Vol I 6th that I would buy. They do intend to release a Vol III so I imagine they will want to reprint Vol I 6th so to keep the 3 as current books as its too high cost now from being out of print at the moment and the digital I have at the moment for Vol I is only 5th edition which is also strange. So again probably best to pick up books on coins when they are available generally as even my making the grade 3rd edition by CoinWorld is no longer cheap which is sad because its a good book for people to learn about grading. David Edited by datadragon
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