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Counterfeit Toonies Are Going To Be A Significant Problem

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 Posted 12/28/2021  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not I'm confused? I was under the influence that if the coin it self is marked as a fake or replica then it's no longer a fake coin. It would be considered a novelty item wouldn't it? They were made as contemporary counterfeit coins but that does not mean you don't own it. I own these fakes, it's like saying it's illegal to melt them down and have the bullion for yourself. If a coin is marked as a replica/reproduction then it's no longer a contemporary counterfeit. Are you saying that a fake coin can't be turned into a novelty item legally?

This is not a huge loss for me either way it's 6$ but I'm confused about the concept that unless they are destroyed or turned in to the police then it's illegal to have them in your possession. even though the police don't care nor do the banks,and apparently neither does the RCM... I don't want to own illegal items and I do my best to make sure I don't accept fakes when I get them. So if I decide to turn them into non contemporary fakes why would it still be illegal?
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 Posted 12/28/2021  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BWJM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can look up the text of the Criminal Code of Canada just as easily as I can. It has been discussed many times before on these forums so I do not want to beat a dead horse.

Bottom line is that a fake coin is a fake coin and possession of them is illegal, as stated. Stamps of COPY or FAKE do not change that.

The concern is that these coins, marked or not, could be misidentified as authentic, even by a blind person wearing gloves. If you melt them down, or smash them into a big lump of metal, or otherwise "significantly" destroy them or turn them into something other than coins, then in my opinion they are no longer coins and no longer of concern.

Of course as I said earlier, law enforcement currently has a very ambivalent stance on these coins. The legality of holding them does not change. Think of it like running a stop sign in the middle of the night with nobody around for miles. It's still illegal, but the cops don't care. (This is NOT an endorsement to possess counterfeit coins - quite the opposite!)
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 Posted 12/28/2021  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simple the law says fake legal tender coins are illegal, but so is jay walking, going 51 km in a 50 km zone, it"s the RCM job to enforce the law regarding counterfeit coins, people here has contacted the RCM it"s not our job to take losses or police the system, some day the RCM will get the message and the threat of the problem
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12/28/2021 5:21 pm
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 Posted 12/28/2021  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So then I pop out the cores and maybe something on top of that, then a necklace would not be illegal? I have no issue destroying these to the point they are no longer recognizable, I'm just trying to think of a creative way to loose then and not be in possession of fake illegal currency. I appreciate the info guys.

On a side note isn't producing, use and ownership of fake currency a federal crime? If so that's a fair bit worse then simply breaking driving laws. If I'm wrong please correct me as I'm not up to date on criminal codes for this sort of thing. I just mean a federal crime could be a 500,000$ fine and jail time, compared to a small fine and a slap on the wrist lol.
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 Posted 12/28/2021  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It"s obvious the RCM has been notified by certain members here on how serious the problem is. again it"s not the public"s problem, how many consumers really look at their change, just use them, the RCMP will not be at every store corner arresting customers and owners, but eventually the RCM will ask the RCMP to catch the importer or manufacturer of these toonies
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 Posted 12/28/2021  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not really worried about being busted for being in possession of a few fake toonies, I just want to think of a creative use for them where they would no longer be considered counterfeits. I could easily just spend every fake toonies I happen to get in my change and not think about it. I would rather find a creative use for them where I'm no longer in possession of modern illegal contemporary counterfeit coins.
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 Posted 12/29/2021  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonielewy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just want to think of a creative use for them where they would no longer be considered counterfeits.


Turn them into fishing lures and catch a lake trout down at the lake. .
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 Posted 12/29/2021  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do love to fish and never would have though about that loonielewy, that's a fun and creative idea lol I'll give it a try. If I ever caught something with a fishing lure from a fake toonie that would be pretty funny lol. I'm sure I'll come up with some more ideas for them.
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 Posted 12/29/2021  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SelectCoinCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone done an XRF to determine composition? That would help me determine if these would easily melt in my Devil Forge.


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Seriously, I'd love to find someone with a forge like this.


@ BWJM - I own one and live in the Guelph area, if you're close by I'm always looking for an excuse to do a melt.

I would be happy to turn them into something like this:
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 Posted 12/29/2021  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Turn them into fishing lures and catch a lake trout down at the lake.
The best idea yet!
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 Posted 12/29/2021  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinman91 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I own one and live in the Guelph area


Not too far away! Your custom pours look amazing!
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 Posted 01/01/2022  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just think it is time to change the title of this thread as the fakes are not a problem anymore: by inaction of all responsible parties, they are "legal" tender.

Personally, I am no longer concerned.
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 Posted 01/03/2022  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just think it is time to change the title of this thread as the fakes are not a problem anymore: by inaction of all responsible parties, they are "legal" tender.


I'm not really concerned, but I also don't think it's ok to have everyone just accept these contemporary fakes as legal tender and legal coins since they are not. If that was the case these fakes would be highly collectable for numismatic purposes. Personally I don't care which way the fake toonie think goes, I imagine the RCMP and any other law enforcement would only be concerned about tracking down the counterfeiters rather then try and get all of the fakes out of circulation. It would make sense to be more hush hush about it and play the long game as the people forging these might get sloppy or mess up and end up getting caught. At which time they would be held responsible for all losses of all parties that was in possession of fakes. That's just my guess anyways.

As a person easily able to spot these fakes it's not right to pawn them off on someone else and just forget about it. I won't use these and I I happen to get one because I wasn't paying attention I put it aside. If businesses were more educated in the matter then they would also reject a fake toonie just like they would reject a fake bill if they knew how to spot it. The info on the fake toonies is public but there was never a major story in the news that should be ongoing to explain that these fakes are out there and how to spot them.

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https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/opp-warn-...io-1.5737401

Those "coins" are satire - anyone who actually looked at them, could see that. Just like the Mulroney "doubloons" or other satire strikes (most recently the Trudough coin). It is laughable that the OPP is putting effort into those, and ignore the ones discussed in this thread since last July, pouring out of the GTA across Canada.

I would love one of those Z DOLLARD coins!! For reference, here is the Mulroney Doubloon I mentioned.

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Does that make it a Zoonie? . Nice Doubloon.
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