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1921 D Does This Look Like Natural Toning?

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This 21 D Morgan is at auction. The price is low enough right now for a nice 21 D, and I really like the look of the obverse, but would like opinions about the toning. And I know it's graded by a fake grading company, but I see that as irrelevant.
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I am assuming the obverse and reverse images are of the same coin.

My theory is that the coin has rested on the bottom of a timber drawer for many years, and the resin in the wood against the coin has caused the differential toning. More likely in humid climates.

If from a fake grading company, the question has to be raised: 'Is the coin fake as well?' -
From the pictures I think coin is safe to be called genuine, others may comment.
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Good theory about the coloring. Looks genuine enough.
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Great, now that a couple of people have finally made a comment as to the toning, anyone want to take a stab at the grade. I see that the eagles breast is weak, but I understand that is fairly common in a 1921 D. Also that mark between her face and the D, what is going on there? So how do you see the grade on this 21? Thanks in advance and time is of the essence, auction only has a few hours left.
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To me, it's a slider at best.
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Toning looks natural to me. Grade wise, tough to judge through that toning. Second obv pic shows considerably more luster. AU58-MS62 tops for me.
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AU58, there is a faint trace of rub. The toning on the obverse is concealing it a bit. It looks like what we call an "end roll toner"
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The toning looks artificial. The creases in the Liberty's hair and protected areas of the other devices are untoned and they should be. Plus the two toning spots on the obv are where the smoke concentrated.
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Because somebody might be interested, here's an update. I bid up to $38 on the coin, and it wound up going for $43. It's only a 21 after all with some interesting toning that I believed was natural, but I really like to get bargains and at $40 I believed all the bargain was gone. So thanks for the comments on this one ....... there's always tomorrow.
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the 21(D) typically is softer so the obverse looks a little better than normal. the reverse typical for strike with that weak breast. the coin looks legit. the obverse color is either AT or was exposed to something that caused the coloration. I'm not a fan of that. grade wise I think its AU58. the reverse looks like it had a dip or two
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That slab is from the ebay seller Centsles. I would bet dollars to donuts that toning is artificial. Look at his other Morgan offerings. All are toned the same and predominantly on the obverse only. The seller has a reputation for putting problem coins in his NMC slabs as problem-free.
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That slab is from the ebay seller Centsles. I would bet dollars to donuts that toning is artificial. Look at his other Morgan offerings.

Good point ....... you know, I usually do this when I see a toned coin ....... why I didn't this time is beyond me. I have noticed that usually the wilder the toning the more the same seller has a whole bunch, and nobody is that lucky.
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