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1808 1c Classic Head Large Cent

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$78. This is my first 1808 LC and it appears to have a full ear which puts it at VG for me. Thoughts? Thanks!

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I am good with VG8 and original. It looks like a nice example, but can not tell from photos if coin has corrosion. If the coin is problem free, you made a nice score. At the top of the obverse looks like there could be some pitting, it still may straight if the pitting is minor.
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Looks like strike weakness on both sides around the left-side rim. UNITED is completely missing which I would not expect given the overall level of wear. On the positive side, the planchet seems defect-free and there is no visible corrosion. What are those faint, parallel vertical lines on the obverse?
Central detail does look VG but the peripheral weakness suggests AG. Maybe an average of G6 would be appropriate.
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VG-08 with some strike weakness seems about right. The striations on the obverse might be from the Mylar 2x2 (they continue beyond the coin at the bottom).
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I'm good with a straight VG here. Super weak strike. Good price though.
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G06 for me.
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you have a nice 1808 here. many of the planchets used for these classic heads are pitted or corroded due to the way they were transported on ships in kegs. the lighting on this one is not good enough to completely assess the coin, however, the surfaces appear pretty clean of this. I see a a weak strike on both sides of this coin. the ear, liberty, sharpness of the the right side stars, One cent, america and highest leaves are all putting this in the VG10/F12 range

i believe you may have a S277 12 star variety here. is there any way you get brighter photos of at least the obverse?

i have this variety (below) and mine graded PCGS VF25 straight. these early coppers grade different and dont follow most conventional grading rules. there is a lot more leniency with these and the 08 is one of my favorites

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This came in. I agree with panzaldi. The early classic head cents were struck on corroded planchets that made their way to the US from England. The barrels holding the planchets were thought to have been soaked from sea salt water in the ship's cargo hold. The unusually soft and inferior quality planchets received from the British supplying firm of Boulton and Watt didn't help. Many of these planchets were corroded prior to minting and are often straight graded if the corrosion does not include heavy pitting. The mint was thrifty at the time and did not discard corroded planchets that had traveled across the Atlantic in their quality control process.

Agree that this is the S-277 so-called "12 Star" variety because S1 is weak or absent, but I can see S1 clearly in the obverse as you can see in the pictures although it is weak. The second marker of the S-277 variety is that the headband is curved. The other 2 varieties have a straight headband.

Thoughts? Thanks!

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