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1825 5/4/(2) Capped Bust Quarter PCGS Vs. You

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I bought this coin loose in 2001 or 2002 when I was in high school. It is a type coin for Capped Bust quarters. Even though I am collecting significantly nicer type coins now, I will keep this as my Capped Bust quarter type coin. I sent it in to PCGS this past summer--what do you think happened?

The coin is not quite as dark as the pictures lead us to believe--the photo was taken in intense sunlight. In reality there are traces of toning, especially on the reverse.


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F-12 for me.
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vf20 laminations. to me it looks like there is mettal missing from the reverse of the planchet.
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I'll say F-15.
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I'm going to say VF-20. I keep going back and forth with 15 but 20 is my opinion.
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I'm on the F15 to VF20 fence as well, but I'll say F15
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Borderline F-12/F-15 obverse, F-15+ reverse, net grade solid F-15. The partial circulation cameo gives it good eye appeal for the grade. I don't see any concerns that would detail it.

Very nice Browning 3! Tough variety. Tompkins has shown that all 1825 quarters are 1825/4/2, so the old distinctions are having to be re-thought. Yours is a nice one. I see why you will keep it as your type coin.
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15 for me
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After looking at some other Browning 3 I'm sticking with my guess of F12 though I can see a F15 just as well too, sure hope it didn't get the dreaded genuine or details grade. It looks fine to me though. This example is one of the nicer looking ones I saw in my quick looking through some at CoinFacts sold through the various auction companies in this grade range (Low F to VF), so many had ugly discolorations or really splotchy toning.
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This is a F-12 all day. If the grader was in a good mood, maybe a 15. I would never pay VF money for this coin no matter what a TPG company says.
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Not sure why people give this F12-15.
The shield lines on the reverse are fully visible, the cloak knot at the obverse is just visible. The word "LIBERTY" is fully visible. I say VF25-VF30.
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Here it is! The dealer who sold this to me, who knew my father as a child, was an extremely conservative grader. Every coin from her that I have submitted to PCGS for certification, with the exception of this one, came back a grade or more higher than her assessment. She called this one VF. I was hoping it would certify as a VF(20) or VF(25). While the results are less than I was hoping for, I love the coin, and will continue to treasure it just the same.


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@Adam590, I've been on bourse floors for over 45 years, and I haven't seen many eye-appeal Browning 3's. Your coin has eye appeal. I'm not a big fan of CAC, but I think you would snag a bean from CAC. Don't be disappointed in the technical grade. That's a solid collectible example. Nice coin!

(FWIW, my Browning 3 is a holed VG.)
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It is very close to Very Fine but I agree with the F15 grade.
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Thanks, FortCollins, and everyone else. I love this coin--I didn't differentiate Browning varieties until I saw that PCGS labeled this as a Browning 3. It made me curious about which varieties are more scarce and what the actual difference is between them. I think I paid $250 for this coin--I remember I had a choice between this 1825 quarter with significantly more wear and a beautiful 1834 quarter, with shades of blue and rose toning, in AU(50-53), but with a detracting rim bump that would almost certainly preclude a straight grade. I eventually went for the "problem free" coin.
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I really like the large diameter bust quarters. Pretty rare and very unique in terms of size and feel. Super nice example there!
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