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1960 Lincoln Memorial Cent Over Date?

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 Posted 12/11/2008  7:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add closelook to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Could this be a large date over a small date? It looks similar to the one in Chuck's book Looking Through Lincoln Cents.
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 Posted 12/12/2008  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The marks you are seeing on the date is damage or ejection marks. They are not a large over small date/doubled die as the letters are still the same size, just metal moved on the tops of the devices. Here is an example from the coppercoins website.
http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...ie_state=mds
Note the date over the date. The large date removed some of the small dates hubbing, showing a distortion. But look closely at the zero in the date. That is the real story teller. The 9&6 are of defferent length which is seem, but the two different sizes of the 0 make a much wider device on the digit. This is what a hubbing over another hubbing would create and what collectors watch for. The marks on the tops of the devices are just moved metal on your coin, but the doubled dies devices are enlarged.
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Ejection Doubling with wear on the right spots. That for sure. If you didnyt know any better that coin would catch you off guard!. Thats why theres great forums like this one and LCR to help us NON-Experts with questions. PLUS help over searching experts with restless eye sydrome..lol.(is there a such thing) with their "everything looks doubled" from staring thru a loupe for hours coins they post!..lolol

ejection with wear
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Another thing that makes havoc with the eyes:
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LOL....that seems to make me see better!!..Tunnel vision needs no loupe!...WOW. I I thought nobody had humor here..lolol
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We've got humor. It's just not understood by some.
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Coop and all, What about this coin? The 9 and 6 show 2 different directions for the terminations ( 2nd) photo. I have several rolls which show the same effect.

Jim

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markers added.

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Close up, different light direction.

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Thanks
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Jim: They are just small dates. they look that way. Take a look again at the zero in the date of the image from coppercoins. The zero is huge because the sizes were different on both hubs that formed that die. Better yet here is an image of one that I have.

1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Over-Date?

The difference just jumps out at you when you find one. Sometimes we look too hard for something that isn't there. It's just part of the training of the eye. At first, you see nothing different, then you see too much that is nothing. When you find one it will leap out at you. That die is also a RPM also in case anyone missed it. The reason it is a variety is that all coins struck with that die look exactly like this. On a worn/damaged/over polished/die gouged/cracked, chip or broken die, they will develop with time. Not so for a doubled die or RPM or over date. They were that way before they struck a coin.
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Thanks!

Yes, I do have some of that variety also. one of my favorites
I see what you mean about the "0" !

Jim
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The size and shape of the 1960D with large and small date hubbings takes on BOTH the large and the small date sizes at the same time. This makes the overall appearance of the date a large date until a closer look reveals that the center of the digits resembles that of a small date. Once the two-second fog of confusion goes away, you realize that you have both - large and small date - on one coin.

This so-called 'overdate' is known ONLY on ONE die for mint state coins, and that happens to be a nice north RPM as well.

The so-called 'overdate' is also known on THREE different proof dies.

There are NO COINS KNOWN for mint state Philadelphia strikes.

As much as 1960 cents have been studied through the years, it is very highly unlikely that any new dies will surface. Get to know what the known dies look like and watch for those.
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