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1943-D Lincoln Error?

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I could use some help attributing this coin. I cant tell if it is an actual error coin or the product of Machine Doubling. There are several error samples in Cherrypickers. The 9 and 4 have a shadow mate and the D has a shadow mate to the east of the predominent MM.

Any help would be appreciated. I first thought it may be a RPM 13.

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1943-D-Lincoln-Error?
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I enlarged/enhanced your pic:

1943-D-Lincoln-Error?

It's hard for me to tell, and I hope it's not replated--although it looks it to me.
I'll let others make the call.
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my 1st thought was that it is replated as well, It's so shiney it might even be coated with mercury.
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Pretty nice pictures. What you using?
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rockdude,,,,using Canon SD790-1S, white background, tungsten lights and white balance set for tungsten, didgital macro mode.

KurtS,,,,I think it might be plated as well. I didn't buy the coin. It came in a small bag of about 25 that was a gift.
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This looks like a few of mine.. Can the plating be taken off without damaging the coin?
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It is replated and that for some reason often seems to result in a doubled image.


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Can the plating be taken off without damaging the coin?

No because normally the coin is already damaged before it was replated. The usually have to harshly clean the surfaces of the coin to prepare it to receive the new plating and that typically means an acid dip to remove what is left of the old plating and an abrasive cleaning to remove iron oxides. And if for some reason they didn't remove the original plating, you would remove it along with the new plating thus resulting in a damaged coin as well.
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Looks re-processed. The coating makes imperfections on the coin look like a mountain. On your coin it looks like Machine Doubling. Sometimes die wear also make the appearance like on the 3 in the date. But the MM is defintite shelf doubling from die movement during the strike.
Re-processing can't be removed. It's another layer on the coin and it would harm the lower layer to remove it. So just keep it as an example of a re-processed cent. Newbies like them cause they look new in their eyes.
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I have rolls of different wheats that look like this, along with the '43s. They're either lacquered or replated.. they just don't look natural. Why would someone go to all this trouble?
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The coin has been replated giving it an unnatural appearance. This was done more than a few years ago to countless 1943 steel cents that were in less than prime condition. The overall effect is that you now have a bunch of these replated 1943s in the hobby that are worth, drum roll please, $0.01 and that is that.

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First things first...mintmark doubling is not an 'error' - it is classified as a 'die variety'. The CherryPickers' Guide is generally a die variety book. It lists very few errors.

Second, the coin in this thread is definitely replated. No 'maybe' about it.

Third, the coin in this thread shows a shadow around the outside edge of the mintmark that is not an RPM. It is the result of die wear, which tends to be very common with 1943 cents. The shape itself has little to nothing at all to do with the replating.

Last, BJ Neff hit the value right on the head with this coin, and most coins like it. Face value. There are a couple of exceptions to this, though. The BIG 1943 DDO and the RedBook listed 1943D RPM are exceptions. Even replated these can sell for $50 or more because they are fantastic die varieties, and they are quite scarce. Demand for them is high enough to warrant at least some value to them even if they've been ruined through cleaning or reprocessing. But the every day reprocessed 1943 cent - I agree. Face value. This goes with any process that changes a coin from what it was minted as - gold plated quarters, painted coins, etc. All of them are numismatically worth their metal value or face value, whichever is higher. They have effectively been completely ruined for numismatic value when they were altered, so 'novelty' value is all that's left.
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