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 Posted 12/19/2008  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ben:
Nice job of posting,
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 Posted 12/19/2008  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganNoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not sure of a 'Non Destructive Method' to test if a metal is Ag or not.


Why are you worried about some slight damage to a few fake BHD's? Now thats not to say I would get out the hacksaw, but some silver acid test maybe...
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 Posted 12/19/2008  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not sure of a 'Non Destructive Method' to test if a metal is Ag or not. Do you know of one?

Yep, XRF aka X-ray Fluorescence is a completely nondestructive elemental analysis but it is very expensive because the instrument is valued in well into the six figure range.
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I know there is a company that makes such a device and they told me that they have now got it down to the $35k range. I was thinking of just such an application when I was talking to them.
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 Posted 12/19/2008  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why are you worried about some slight damage to a few fake BHD's? Now thats not to say I would get out the hacksaw, but some silver acid test maybe...


Not worried in the least and what acid would that be? This piece is very collectible and I'd challenge you or anyone else to find "another like it for sale" oh, lets say in the next month or so. FWIW, it's worth more as a counterfeit than as a genuine piece believe it or not...

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 Posted 12/19/2008  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganNoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not worried in the least and what acid would that be?


http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/sil...st-acid.html


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This piece is very collectible and I'd challenge you or anyone else to find "another like it for sale" oh, lets say in the next month or so.

Yeaaaaaa, riiiight, BD, just put it up for sale on ebay... lol
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 Posted 12/19/2008  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steelie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah an X-ray is not really practical....unless you've got one @ work PM me if your just dying to know - I don't have standards to test for Silver, but there is an option to test the entire spectrum and then you can figure out what the base elements are.
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 Posted 12/19/2008  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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FWIW, it's worth more as a counterfeit than as a genuine piece believe it or not...
Really? Since I know little about CBHs, I'd like to better understand why...is this a contemporary counterfeit? If it's just a modern copy from Asia, I cannot see much worth other than a potential educational tool
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Not worried in the least and what acid would that be?


http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/sil...st-acid.html


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This piece is very collectible and I'd challenge you or anyone else to find "another like it for sale" oh, lets say in the next month or so.

Yeaaaaaa, riiiight, BD, just put it up for sale on ebay... lol


Cool, never seen or heard of it before -- can you tell me what TYPE of acid that is? Simply 'apple vinegar' or some other household substance. As far as the value yes, it's considered one of the Three Good Counterfeits which have rarely shown up on the internet in recent years. Many consider these akin to the OMEGA Double Eagles.

Value always varies on unusual pieces as to what someone is willing to pay over what another is willing to spend... I've tuned down (over 4X the purchase price) so far from a specialty BHD collector, however, it's not for sale, simply a novelty/collectors item.

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 Posted 12/20/2008  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganNoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here is the rest of my collection if you've got any questions.


Wow, I knew you were crazy about BHD's but that is simply out of control. I might be wrong, but I think you have passed to point of a 'hobby' and blown right into an 'obsession'. Quite the collection I must say.

No I don't know what that silver test stuff is, I just saw it on that site the other day, and figured everyone know about it...

The only CBH I have (so far) is a 1834 that I got for $90, I talked about it here. https://goccf.com/t/37431 what do you think? Without a doubt you are who I am going to contact about anymore that I buy. There is something about them... If I didn't have my Morgans, I think I could easily catch the BHD fever...
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 Posted 12/20/2008  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuckle, then I'd suppose the same principle would apply to Lincoln Head Cent, Franklin half, Liberty Head (V) Nickel, etc., collectors...

However, my collection pales in comparison to others who have over 400 of the 450+ dates, die varieties, and die states.

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 Posted 12/23/2008  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent forgeries...thanks for sharing. Caveat emptor is as true today as ever!
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 Posted 12/23/2008  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinzip to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing this with us Ben...
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 Posted 12/24/2008  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brewzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking at one on ebay right now.It looks like the 1833 O-101 (R1)
This the link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...350137324710
What do you think bone digger?
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 Posted 12/24/2008  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brewzz, it looks genuine and in bettter than VF condition to me, but there is some apparent graffiti on the reverse and the 12:00 ding is pretty noticeable along with the obvious over-dipping it appears VASTLY TOO BRIGHT...

I'd pass on it...
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