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Overweight Saint-Gaudens 1913 Fake Or Error?

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I am a newbie to this site but have in my possession 6 Saint-Gaudens coins mostly 1924/25 and am a avid collector of various gold coins both American and European. The 1913 coin I have has caused me problems with valuation as it weighs 33.7g I am currently getting it analysed with a spectrometer. There is no doubt that the coin is gold leading me to wonder if there were any mint errors for this particular date I believe it was minted in Philadelphia.
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A picture of both sides would be needed in determining if it is genuine or not.
Your weight is over as it should weigh 33.43g and I think the tolerance is +- .04g.
Any gold coins that were not within tolerance either way from
what I understand were rejected and remelted.
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pictures guys, thankyou for all your help xx
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I do think your coin is a Fake, just looking at that bottom branch. From what I see none of the branches touch the stars. But thats just HMO
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin/1913-20/9161
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I also don't like the top of the 3, which seems to point slightly upward rather than straight.
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Can you get better photos ? The more I look at this coin nothing is right
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Doesn't look legit to me, but better pics would help. Hopefully it is at least made from gold, XRF should determine, but being overweight makes even that doubtful.
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Sorry, but that is aa counterfeit. That's the reason why it was overweight.
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You might want to post pictures of your other ones (One coin per topic) as if 1 is fake then the others may be suspect.


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I am currently getting it analysed with a spectrometer.

How'd that turn out?
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Thankfully I had the result from testing today and it is definitely gold. Hopefully these pics are a bit clearer.
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At least it's gold. The last 3 is way too high, modified date maybe?
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I am not sure how a XRF spectrometer is supposed to help. At most, you identify the top layer of the coin. If it is an e.g. gold clad tungsten/lead coin, it will still throw you off. Only a resonance frequency test is 100% accurate.
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fortunately it was a jeweller that also buys and sells gold that tested it for me, and they stuck with a previous offer made as a gold piece. I just didn't want too part with it until I was reasonably sure it was a fake. For now the mystery continues but I also have my doubts.
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If your dealer thinks it's good gold, that's good news for you. I recommend you get this one off your hands while you can.
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