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2012 Toonies, Error Or Fake?

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 Posted 05/30/2021  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adding to the advice of John100 and other experts who posted replies: listen to the experts! Some deeply engrained beliefs (like the sound a coin makes, micro-differences in weight, etc) are just plain misconceptions and distinctions without a difference.

Some experts saw thousands of coins of specific types. That is how you understand the info posted by some here. Listen to those that are a little bit ahead of you in the road.

It take years or even a lifetime to fill a gap. Some gaps will never be filled. The fun is in the hunting.
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 Posted 05/30/2021  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been listening:) and I have my whole life in Canadian coins as a Canadian:p I'm not saying this toonie is special I have no idea, and I'm interested in every detail. No one has given me any sort of idea about the sound of this coin. A toonie and loonie actually have a very specific sound. Idk how to change the topic but as iv said I'm just curious about th sound mainly and have been checking every toonie I come across for the lost sound this one has. It sounds like my fake but there are no recorded fakes, and no cases displayed about the sound changing like this. So holding onto a toonie is nothing lol it's 2$ but if it's a fake I want to keep it. And maybe send it to the mint so they can test that there are security fake coins. If it's an error I'll keep because cool lol, and if it's nothing..... Then iv learned a fair bit about toonies and won't have the same questions in the future:). But I'm a 100% or nothing kinda guy. I always want visuals or videos or if there is absolute facts then I instantly accept them :p
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 Posted 05/30/2021  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins hit surfaces in different angles and speed. Our heads and therefore ears are never in the same relative position to objects. The surface may be uneven. Windows may be open or shut, environment background noise higher or lower. Amount of cerúmen in the ear varies day to day. We are emotionally biased towards one result. In summary: what we hear is a sense. If one wants to translate a sense into a scientific value, one will need to control these and other variables to measure differences.

Is it important? No. Why? Because the Mint procure planchets from various vendors. Thickness of one sheet may be different from another. Impurities may have a different concentration even in the same sheet. Weight of planchets vary. Than we have the boring process: centering varies and rarely is 100% exact. Finally the core planchets composition, physical dimensions and position in the ring also varies. The Mint never published the precise specs of twoonies and their production tolerance - each one of us have a guesstimate based on personal experience, but nothing official to compare.

In summary, you are always comparing different things.

But, if you like doing it and have fun with it, please continue.

(The Mint doesn't care. They produce widgets not coins. We see coins, not them)
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 Posted 05/30/2021  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a bit ocd so when I get focused on something unknown then I want to learn the facts:) and I hats fun. Toonies in particular have such a specific sound and iv tested this one hundred times on different surfaces, sound difference is substantial enough for me to want to find another to prove it's nothing. The only other I have is a fake 1996 toonie. And I slide both coins on a polished grout floor sliding sounds wat different as well this is why I keep talking about flicking the coin. When I flip a toonie they all have a metallic sound except the fakes and this one. Almost sounds like plastic even. Though it's metal so if iv found a worthless fake I'm still happy. I want to get down to the bottom of the sound this one makes, if it's simply a core issue with the coin or something then iv learned. But I need hands on or visuals or absolute facts:p last thing any coin collector wants to say is I spent a coin I thought was worthless that turned out to be a nice error. Or the first documented fake security toonie would be kwl as well. Everything is judged on sense we see something off we know it's off, we feel something off we know it's off, so if you hear something is off and know it's off you want to know why:p
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 Posted 05/30/2021  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As previously posted by someone else I need to do more testing. If you have any simple test you can have me do on this coin or another to validate that it's a normal sound for a toonie or normal metal I'll happily do it. Or if you have several toonies or hundreds if you live in Canada then test the sound your self and compare it to the one I compare in the video I posted on page 3. I slide and drop two toonies one is normal the other is the one with alot more wear, lighter looking core and weighs a tiny bit more then the other, and the queen is closer to the rim then any other toonie iv checked to date since iv become interested. To most regular people iv asked they say it looks weird so the sounding weird makes me super curious as to what I have or if nothing. I'm not disappointed if it's nothing because then iv learned something about how toonies can sound like this one and won't have to worry about it again:p
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