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Real Or Fake 1943 D Copper Cent?

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 Posted 07/07/2021  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a one glance fake. I am sure there is a chance of another 43d copper but that is not this coin.
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 Posted 07/07/2021  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What do you notice in your one glance?
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 Posted 07/07/2021  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bow tie, rim, beard, overall Lincoln. The mm like others have said. Also the coinage press was set to a higher pressure while coining steel so the copper would look like a high relief coin. That's because steel is harder to strike than copper.
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 Posted 07/07/2021  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The higher pressure would explain the raised rim; I agree that the relief of Lincoln's body looks oddly worn by comparison but it could be my lighting.
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 Posted 07/07/2021  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a comparison photo of all legitimate 1943's. They all look different to some level.
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 Posted 07/07/2021  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a close-up of the date and mm. Compared to common fakes, the 4 has a flat nose, short tail, and looks level with the center of the 3. The 3 is a little thin, closer to the rim than the other known 43d, but some of the steelies are at least similar to this.


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 Posted 07/07/2021  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, here's a side-by-side of a steely 43d with the accepted copper 43d. Not to be a rebel, but how do they explain these obvious differences?

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 Posted 07/07/2021  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the shape of the mm. Look at the points of the mm. The mm on your coin is closer to the 9 and has longer points to the left and is a slightly different mm type. If it is genuine which it is not it is definitely not this die or mm position.
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 Posted 07/07/2021  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So tell us/me, how did you come to get this "coin"?
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 Posted 07/07/2021  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought it from someone who said they knew it was rare, but wasn't sure how rare. Price was right and I have a week to get a refund if it's a clear fake.
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 Posted 07/08/2021  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a clear fake foxfire. You're indulging in confirmation bias. The members on here have given their honest opinion, produced by their skill, which was gained through decades of research. If you do not wish to trust them, then send it off to a grading service such as PCGS or NGC, and they will reveal what we've been telling you.

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 Posted 07/08/2021  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxfire341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Woah there, Silvercents. I'm trying to seek answers about things that people refuse to explain. Only six people have even commented on this thread and only two have given actual reasons for why it might be fake. The only believable comment of those, was that the Lincoln relief was too dull in the photo which could just be lighting given that the rim is so pronounced. I've asked for an example of the aforementioned transfer die counterfeit example; I've never seen nor heard of a true "Chinese fake," of this exact type. Saying it's "obviously fake," without explanation isn't constructive.
As far as the issues with the mm, I think the commenter was awkwardly directing those critiques to the "verified" coin which I agree looks...off.
Refer to my collage of the steelie 43d above the "verified" copper 43d. How many think the crooked mm with tails on the left even looks real?
My bottom line is that this is an educational forum. Dismissing coins as fakes without supporting evidence isn't helpful and I won't quit until I've learned something.
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 Posted 07/08/2021  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Listen, I meant no offense. The number of people that come onto the website and post a coin they think is the real deal, and then reject every opinion that is offered is, quite often. People have given their opinions, with the response of "fake." I am not providing any "proof" that it is fake because the others have said what was on my mind, and simply restating their opinions as my own isn't constructive.


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This is also an obvious fake.



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Guessing this is a Chinese fake.



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Definitely fake. Mint mark in wrong location



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It is a one glance fake. I am sure there is a chance of another 43d copper but that is not this coin.


As you can see, we all have come to the same consensus. It isn't the real deal. Notice how everyone else has provided examples as to why this is fake. The MM location, the profile of the coin itself, etc. As I said, restating their conclusions is unnecessary, that is why I didn't provide proof.






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 Posted 07/08/2021  01:18 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
foxfire, you have asked the right questions and have found very little in the way of answers. Backing up a "fake" call with totally supportable evidence is actually hard to do, but it is in general not being done here with you asking very specifically for the evidence. That said, your reverse image is so small I can't rule in-or-out a Chinese fake as I can't really see any detail at the level we need to see it. A Chinese fake would typically have a die chip kinda looking thing in the middle inside of the left wheat on the reverse. But Serbia produced some seriously good fakes recently and so far I don't have a clear die marker for those and they are certainly getting around as they are well done.

I'd say the rims make this a fake, as I am seeing things that don't look right, but photos aren't sharp. Gotta have really crisp pics when dealing with a coin this close to the fake/real boundary. That said, your friend must be a caveman, as a simple Google search for 1943 D Lincoln Cent Copper show the value of such a coin to be between 400K and 800K. Who sells a coin without at least doing that? It's a big red flag.

I think it is a struck fake, but honestly can't say for sure as I am away from home and don't have the time to go over it all that well. The weakness around TRUST is typical of 1943 coins, so if it is a fake they used a real one to make the copy.

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