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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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1370 - Grinya (771 AH = Aug 1369-Jul 1370)

Grinya has great coins but not all the Golden Horde.
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Grinya has great coins but not all the Golden Horde.

Not the first time I mixed that exact thing up either...


Corrected preliminary listing for the 1370s:

1379-77 - none yet (would be 781 to 779 AH)
1376 - tdziemia
1375 - Spence, Grinya (777 AH = Jun 1375-May 1376)
1374 - january1may (776 AH = Jun 1374-Jun 1375)
1373 - tdziemia
1372-71 - none yet (would be 773 and 772 AH)
1370 - JohnConduitt (771 AH = Aug 1369-Jul 1370)

I'd have to check through my huge pile of unsorted ancients and medievals for possibly more Golden Horde stuff. I know there was a coin from the 1360s in there...
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 Posted 12/15/2021  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree,that is an awesome coin!
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It amazes me how many coins we are able to post each decade, considering how far back in time we are. I'm really glad that we are taking our time with this version 3.0. Keep them coming folks!

Here is a first cousin to @tdz's newest pick-up: also a White Pfennig from the German Archbishopric of Cologne. The mint for my coin was Bonn though and as far as I know, it is only datable to the range 1378 to 1414 AD. The obv inscription is FRIDRICVS ARCPVS COLIN while I think that the rev inscription is PIETA ARCAN MONET B'. I'm happy to have this corrected if anyone can. I have attributed it as Saurma 2688.

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I found it on Numista (this precise coin)


Correct! From acsearch:
- ex-Leonard O. Greenfield collection, CNG Triton XIII Auction Jan. 5, 2010
- ex-CNG eAuction 394 March 29, 2017
- ex-CNG eAuction 506 December 15, 2021
I suppose if we are really precise in followig the rules, the coin is not yet mine, as I haven't been invoiced.

And yes, while the title of the Numista listing correctly attributes the coin to the Riel mint, the text in the listing assigns it to Deutz which is clearly incorrect based on the reverse legend.
Likewise, today's CNG auction listing gets some things wrong in the obverse description, even though they got it correct in 2010!

Apparently coins struck at both of these mints are attributed to the single year 1376. Not sure why Bonn has a wider date range.

These episcopal/archepiscopal St. Peter coins fit one of my collecting themes, so I hope some more find their way into my collection

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This tourelle of the Duchy of Brabant, Leuven mint, can be dated to 1374-1377. Interestingly, when I purchased it in 1999 it was attributed to an emission that was later and exactly 1 year in duration (April 1, 1380- April 1, 1381). Since then the attrbution has changed to an earlier and broader range (Numista explains how the two emissions can be differentiated). 1.2 g. Witte 403

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:))

Artuqids of Mardin, Akce of al-Zahir 'Isa minted at 1376-1407.
plain hexafoil obverse, inner circle reverse




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More great coins from the decade of the 1370s! Here is my last one to post for now, but I'm hoping that others will have plenty more to contribute.

This Pfennig was minted in the German Bishopric of Wrzburg in the date range of 1375 to 1380 AD. The obv inscription is WIRSBVRG and the rev inscription is +GERHARDVS. That left-facing lion head on the rev is pretty neat. I have attributed it as Saurma 1315, butnote that it is also attributed as Ehwlad 5003 and Piloty 857.

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 Posted 12/17/2021  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool coin!
I wonder if the obverse depiction is our friend St. Killian (see Wurzburg coins posted in decades 1450s and 1440s) ... I think I see a halo above his miter.
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Good question @tdz. At least some folks agree with your interpretation (c.f. https://www.ma-shops.com/saenn/item...5&curr=USD), although I had been assuming it was a likeness of Gerhard von Schwarzburg. Saurma is typically tight-lipped and only states "Kopf" in the description.



As we have now gone a day or so with no new contributions, how about if we drop back to the decade of the 1360s starting in the am? Last call for the 1370s!

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Nothing datable to a single year for me this decade, but here is a Double Groat from Flanders minted in Ghent. I've struggled to accurately date this one as well, starting off with 1346 to 1384 AD, but now settling in on the range of 1365 to 1367 AD. It is attributed as Roberts 8155 and Gaillard 223. At 30 mm in diameter, this will be my largest contribution for the decade.

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 Posted 12/18/2021  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No dateable ones but here is a date range one.

1365-68 Hungarian Denar with a P mint mark under King Louis I;Huszar 542,Unger 429i,Pohl 79-2,Rethy 79-2.

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Funny ... I have the same two coins to start this decade .


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I've struggled to accurately date this one ...now settling in on the range of 1365 to 1367 AD.


Since there might be others on the forum with this coin, I can elaborate a little on this.
There were five emissions of this coin documented in mint records of the time. Four struck in Ghent starting 1365, and a final one in Mechelen 1380-1383. There is also some variety in the design features, such as the punctuation in the reverse interior legend (parsley leaf vs clover) and in the outer legend (double "stops" vs triple stops), and in the shape of the letter E. Gaillard only cataloged two types: 223 has the parsley leaves and 224 is all others. More recently, combinations of the design features have been attributed to each emission (the reference I see given is Goddeeris). The Numista entry for this coin has recently been updated to reflect these attributions
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48544.html
My example, same subtype as @spence, 1st emissiom 1365-1367
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Nice one @eddie!

I have nothing from Hungary for this decade, but here is a Denar from the German Bishopric of Munster. It is datable to the range of 1364 to 1379 AD. You can see a bishop's crook and the city shield on the obv, along with FLORENTI ERIS COPI. On the rev is our pal St. Paul and MONETA MONS'. I'm not sure if this coin was weakly stuck over half the planchet or else just flattened at some point. It is attributed as Bonhoff 1663 and Ilisch XIX.3.

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I've made photos of one more of my coins - Pul "Bars type" temp. Tokhtamysh Khan (Qrim mint) ND (1378-1395)
So, this is my last coin for the decade:)


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