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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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 Posted 12/19/2021  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx for providing that thorough explanation @tdz! Nice coin to add to the thread @grin.

Here is another coin from Bulgaria. This Groschen can be dated to the range of 1365 to 1393 AD, so a little broader than we permit to move us back in time, but I don't get too many chances to post it so I'm taking this opportunity. It was issued by King Ivan Sratsimir and was attributed by the seller as Youroukova 112. Taken from a CNG auction description on a similar coin:


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Ivan Sracimir was the second son of Ivan Aleksander and was appointed co-emperor by his father Ivan Aleksander. At this or some later point, Ivan Sracimir was given control of Vidin, which he held for the rest of his reign. In 1365, he and his family became hostages of the Hungarians. Three years later, Sracimir was restored to his throne, but he had to acknowledge effective Hungarian overlordship. When Ivan Aleksander died in 1371, Ivan Sracimir was particularly determined to assert his independent status, and in 1381 he placed the metropolitan archbishop of Vidin under the control of the Patriarch of Constantinople, thereby effectively allying himself with the Byzantine Empire.

After the Ottoman invasion of northern Bulgaria in 1388, Ivan Sracimir was forced to acknowledge Ottoman overlordship and accept Ottoman garrisons in his land. On the death of Ivan Šišman in 1395, Sracimir tried to control part of his brother's former realm which was not yet under Ottoman control, but was unsuccessful. When the Hungarians led a crusade against the Ottomans in 1396, Sracimir allied himself with it, placing his available resources at its disposal. The crusade ended in disaster at the battle of Nikopol on 25 September 1396. In 1397 Sultan Bayezid I captured Sracimir at Vidin and had him transported to Bursa, where he died. While part of the remaining realm stayed under the control of Sracimir's son and heir Konstantin II, independent rule of Bulgaria was effectively ended.


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 Posted 12/19/2021  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Bulgarian coin! Really enjoying those .
The obverse image appears to be a Christ Pantokrator, and I had thought the nimbate reverse figure must also be a saint, but I see that auction listings call this the figure of Ivan. Hmmm.... Perhaps it is Ivan's namesake saint instead?

December was a good month for me at auctions (at least until my credit card statement arrives). But that means I don't have the coins in hand yet.
So here is another where I will use the auction house photos.
Duchy of Brabant 1 gros of Duchess Jeanne and Duke Wenceslas, struck at the Vilvorde mint in 1363. Witte 397. Photo of Jean Elsen et ses Fils

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I've commented elsewhere on this shield, which has four slightly different lions, representing Brabant and Limburg (Jeanne), Luxembourg and Bohemia (Wenceslas). Too bad the ghosting of the reverse cross mars their appearance on this coin.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes @tdz, I think that you are right about the design element being Christ Pantocrator; however, I am less sure about your idea of a saint on the rev. According my google translation of the description in Youroukova:


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They are marked with an image of an axe under the throne of the ruler.





I have this next coin as being of the denomination "Billon Blanc au K". It was issued by King Charles V of France and can be dated to the range 1365 to 1380 AD. The obv legend is DEI GRACIA while the rev legends are FRANCORV REX and BNDICTV SIT NOMEN DNI NRI DEI ChV XPI. It is attributed as Duplessy 363 and Roberts 3351a.

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It seems that we moved into 1360-1369 while I stacked in the previous decade. So, let's start with dated coins of this one:

Golden Horde dang of Abdullah Khan (Ordu mint) dated 77 = 770AH (1369). I wanted to upgrade this type recently with better coin, but was overbid...

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 Posted 12/20/2021  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin was discussed on an earlier thread, because its attribution is somewhat problematic.
I've got it tentatively attributed as a marchesino of Niccolo II, Marquis of Ferrara from 1361-1388, CNI X, 420/2 based on an exchange of emails with Numismatica Ferrarese. They use the letter N (normal vs retrograde), and the style of the letter A reverse to differentiate it from a later coin from Niccolo III which appears identical except for these features.
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Obv: Legend starting with eagle and finishing with four letters in center around a dot. NIChOL' MAR (center)ChIO (Niccolo, Marquis...)
Rev: Legend starting with small shield and finishing with large A surrounded by four dots. .DE.FE.RA.RI. (center)A (...of Ferrara)

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I also have an Abdullah Khan, AH770.

Abdullah Khan Ibn Uzbeg Dang, 1368-9
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Azaq. Silver, 16mm, 1.5g. Sultan the Just,Abdullah Khan, Let his rule be long. Mint of Azaq, in the year 77 (Sagdeeva 335).
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Great coins being posted for this decade!

Here is a Venetian Soldino that is datable to the range 1368 to 1382 AD. The obv legend is +ANDR '9 TAR DVX while the rev legend is S MARCVS VENETI. I have it attributed as Biaggi 2846.

I'm quite sure this one made it into @tdz's All Saints thread a while back, but I'm glad to post it here too.

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This decade might be my Golden Horde peak...

Aziz Sheikh Pulo, AH766/AD1365
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Gulistan. Bronze, 2.7g. Double-headed eagle in a 6-angle star. Minted in Gulistan, 667 (766) (Pyr 291).
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Those Golden Horde coins are great, so hearimg that more are coming ...
And the condition of that Venetian soldino is impressive. Between wear an uneven strikes, I don't see many like that.

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@JohnConduitt, by the way, after looking closely to your Abdullah Khan coin I may assume it is Ordu mint (Sagdeeva 339) rather then Azaq....

For the Azaq I will post this Dang of Khizr Khan dated 766 but probably minted in 762AH (1361). The year is just a mistake of die master

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By the way, after looking closely to your Abdullah Khan coin I may assume it is Ordu mint (Sagdeeva 339) rather then Azaq...

Thank you @Grinya. I had it originally as Gulistan - not easy to place!

For this one I don't have a reference, but it's on Zeno...

Murad Pul, 764AH/1363AD
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Gulistan. Bronze, 4.6g. Leopard to the left, a branch with a flower on top. Mint in Gulistan 764 (Zeno 257193 https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=257193)
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Here is my similar coin:)
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Nice. Those are difficult to get in vaguely good condition and centred.

Here's another from Azaq. I think

Kildibek Dang, AH763/AD1362
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Azaq. Silver, 15mm, 1.2g. Just Khan Kildibek. Mint Azaq 763 (Sagdeeva 308).
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@JohnConduitt and @Grinya, those "leopard coins" are fascinating! A wonderful soldino from @Spence, a lovely marchesino from @tdziemia - and more, but I will stop there.

My piece today is interesting in more than one way (which is the reason I have it as my avatar). Firstly, it is the original French franc, the first coin to be called by that name. Secondly, there is an unusual momentum in the design for a French medieval royal coin, where kings usually sit still holding their regalia. And thirdly, it was minted as ransom for a king, to pay off the English for releasing the French king from his capture after the Battle of Poitiers. (I could add fourth, it is beautiful, but so are many French coins .)

France 1361-64, franc "à cheval," John II. 1.000 gold, 3.83 g, 27 mm. Duplessy 294, Lafaurie 297.

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Obv: John II in full armor and sword drawn, charging his horse; its caparison covered with fleurs-de-lys.
Inscription: IOHANNES DEI GRACIA FRANCORVm REX (John by Grace of God King of the Franks).

Rev: Floriated cross in a quadrilobe.
Inscription: XPC VINCIT XPC REgNAT XPC IMPERAT (Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands).


John II, king of France since 1350, had to fight both the English in the Hundred Years War and the Black Death that ravaged Europe. Neither went particularly well. The English were victorious at the battle of Poitiers in 1356, so victorious that their commander, Edward the Black Prince, managed to capture king John, despite his personal guard of more than a hundred knights (a bunch of whom were identically dressed as the king to confuse the enemy).

John was eventually taken to England, where he was treated well and lived in comfort but of course with restricted freedom. Back in France, his son Charles took the role as regent, but the many years of war and plague (and the less than satisfying outcome of the war) had led to discontent among both public and nobility. Charles had a hard time leading the country and had to fight opposition and even rebellion from the nobility. The English, being aware of the weak position of the French, didn't make it easy for king John to negotiate a peace treaty that would be acceptable at home. It took several turns and an intervention by the Pope before a treaty was finalized, and it didn't come cheap for the French: A third of western France ceded to the English and a ransom for the king of 3 million ecus. That meant more than 11 metric tons of gold - truly a king's ransom!

It was now 1360 and luckily for king John, the English apparently considered him a gentleman who would stand by his word, as he was allowed to go home to France after a downpayment of 400,000 ecus. That the terms included exchanging him for another hostage consisting of numerous French noblemen, including John's son Louis, helped I suppose.

Already on his way to Paris, on Dec 5, did king John issue the decrees for the minting of the rest of the ransom. There it was specified that the coins should be of a new type, a franc d'or ("gold franc") with a value of 1 livre tournois and of which there should go two on an English Noble. Drawings of the coin's two sides were also provided - the king had apparently planned in detail what the coinage for his ransom should look like. The design with the king on his war horse, ready for battle, must have seemed a bit provocative to the English. (The name franc à cheval - "franc on horseback" - was a later nickname.)

The French had thought they would be able to mint the remaining 2,600,000 ecus in four years, but despite additional taxes, funds were lacking and payments fell behind. In 1363 his son Louis, who was one of the exchange hostages in England, got tired of his release being repeatedly delayed due to the missing payments, and managed to escape. King John, keen to live up to the honor that chivalry demanded, then voluntarily returned to England as hostage, where he died from illness in 1364.

Minting of the franc à cheval commenced in February 1361 (which was still 1360 by the church calendar used at the time) and continued until the king's death in 1364. How many that were actually minted is not known (as far as I know).
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So many awesome coins from all over the place! I think I have a coin (Golden Horde, again) for the 1360s, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

There had been no new date additions to the 1370s since the last listing. Here's the listing for the 1360s...

1369 - Grinya?, JohnConduitt? (770 AH)
1368-66 - none yet (would be 769 to 767 AH)
1365 - JohnConduitt (766 AH)
1364 - none yet (would be 765 AH)
1363 - tdziemia; JohnConduitt, Grinya (764 AH)
1362 - JohnConduitt (763 AH)
1361 - Grinya (762 AH)
1360 - none yet (would be 761 AH)

I hope I attributed the Golden Horde coins to their posters correctly!
I've added question marks to the 770 AH coins because I only see 7 as the date, no 77.
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