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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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 Posted 12/23/2021  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, this is a start of the period of Golden Horde history named in Russian "Velikaya zamyatnya" which may be translated like "Great turmoil" or "Great mince" or something like this ("zamyatnya" is an obsolete Russian word with a meaning intuitevely assotiated with regress, khaos and troubles)...
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 Posted 12/23/2021  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone have additional coins from the 1360s? If so, please post them soon! We can plan to drop back to the decade of the 1350s starting tomorrow morning.

I suppose it is somewhat fitting for us to be on in the 1350s for Christmas, as the earliest extant English Christmas carol, "A child is boren amonges man" dates to this time and seems to have ushered in a Golden age of English Christmas carols. Here are the lyrics:


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Hand by hand we shall us take,
And joy and bliss shall we make,
For the devil of heck man hath forsake,
And God's Son is made our make.

A child is born amongst man,
And in that child was no WAM; [sin]
That child is God, that child is man,
And in that child our life began.

Sinful man, be blithe and glad
For your marriage; thy peace is grad [proclaimed]
When Christ was born;
Come to Christ; thy peace is grad;
For thee was his blood shed,
Who were forlorn. [lost]

Sinful man, be blithe and bold,
For heaven is both bought and sold,
Every foot!
Come to Christ; thy peace is told,
For thee he gave a hundredfold
His life to bote. [to redeem you]


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https://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristm...Music_MA.htm
https://aclerkofoxford.blogspot.com...us-take.html
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 Posted 12/23/2021  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem in my case is that I know I have some but can't seem to find them. I'll check yet again, if not, we're dropping, I guess.

I think I should have something for the 1350s, 1330s, and 1320s though. Don't know yet about 1340s.
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 Posted 12/24/2021  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have some, but according to the rules I look forward to someone posting his/her coins first:)
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 Posted 12/24/2021  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm starting to lose track of what I've posted...mixing AH and AD on the edge of 1359-60...and changing the attribution of some of them after I post

This one is very similar to my last one. It's the next coin in the reference, but might be a year earlier...

Qulpa Khan, AH760/AD1359
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Saray Al-Jadida. Silver, 1.4g. Mint Saray / al-Jadida / 760. Just Sultan / Qulpa Khan / May his reign be long (Sagdeeva 286).
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 Posted 12/24/2021  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JohnConduitt, yes, this is a problem to remember what was posted:))

If I'm not mistaken, I showed coins of Khizr Khan from Ordu and Gulistan mint, so this is one from Saray al-Jadida 761AH Sagdeeva# 302

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 Posted 12/24/2021  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been wrong about this mint before, but I will give it a go...

Berdi Beg Khan, AH759/1358
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Azaq. Silver, 1.3g. Ber / di / Beg Khan. Mint Azaq / 759 (Sagdeeva 271).
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Already some great coins for this decade! Here is a uniface Pfennig minted somewhere in the timeframe of 1358 to 1365 AD on behalf of King Rudolf IV. It was minted in Vienna and features a rider on a horse with a shield and a clover below. It is attributed as Szego 150 and CNA B246.

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 Posted 12/25/2021  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For this decade I don't have coins dated 755 and 757 AH, all the other I can post here....

We need to agree how to correctly transform Arabic to Gregorian year this decade...

Another example of the Golden Horde dang of Qulpa (or Qulna) Khan minted at Saray al-Jadida mint at 760AH (1359), Sagdeeva# 286

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Merry Christmas! Although in Russia this is a normal day, right?

I'll be quiet for a few days, but here is one I prepared earlier.

I don't know what coin this is (and the date is off flan), but it's Jani Beg from the AH750s...

Jani Beg Khan, AH752/1352?
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Saray al Jadida. Silver, 1.5g. Just Sultan / Jani Beg Khan. Mint Saray / al-Jadida / 752 (Sagdeeva 250?).
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 Posted 12/25/2021  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no dateable ones but here is a date range one.

1359-64 Lily/f/B Hungarian Denar under King Louis I;Huszar 542,Unger 429q,Pohl 79-4a,Rethy II-94a.


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 Posted 12/25/2021  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Christmas in Russia is at January, 7. But now it is usual Saturday:)

Here is my dang of Berdi Beg Khan (Saray al-Jadida mint) 760 (1359) Sagdeeva# 280

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I only have one coin for this decade, and it has a very wide date range.
As with @erafjel's franc a cheval and franc a pied from the 1360s, I think the "mouton d'or" (golden lamb) was first struck in France (1355), then copied in other nearby currencies.
This one is from the Duchy of Brabant, Vilvorde mint, and attributed to a date range 1357 to 1371 (though one can find some auction houses that have attributed it to 1357 or 1366). At 4.6 g., it is large (about the size of a U.S. half dollar). Witte 387.

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I only have one coin for this decade

And what a coin! A mouton d'or is still on my wish list ...

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I think the "mouton d'or" (golden lamb) was first struck in France (1355)

The first French coins with this design were struck in 1311 but are usually called agnel d'or (agnel = lamb). The 1355 issue is also called agnel d'or in the royal decree, but it is slightly larger than previous agnel d'ors, and maybe that is why it has later got to be called mouton (= sheep) d'or.
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A mouton d'or is still on my wish list ...

On my wish list too! Fabulous coin!
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