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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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Ok those are more great contributions @grin. Let's plan to drop back to the decade of the 1250s starting tomorrow morning.
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This Noven was issued by Castile and Leon (Spain) over the course of 1252 to 1258 AD. It was minted at Burgos. The obv legend is MONETA CASTELLE with that B mintmark while the rev legend is ET LEGIONIS. I have attributed it as C&C 1106.

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Same type as posted a few days ago, but seller attributed mine as starting in 1250s. I am pretty sure it's the same coin, the only difference being the date attribtution in the reference

Rimini (Italian State) grosso agostano 1250-1385
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 Posted 03/09/2022  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grinya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems that my participation in the thread is close to the end:))

But I still have something to show. There are 3 similar coins, I've made photos especially to post here.

Golden Horde puls - Nusrat al-din Berke Khan (Qrim mint)1257-1266

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It seems that my participation in the thread is close to the end:))
But I still have something to show.

Yes, sadly we're reaching the beginnings of the Golden Horde. I've enjoyed your coins. These 3 are great, with nice prominent tamghas.

I have this jital from Möngke Khan, who was one level above the first Golden Horde khans. He ruled from 1251 to 1259, which is handy for this thread.

Möngke Khan Jital, AD1251-1260/AH649-658
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Ghazna. Billon, 15mm, 3.1g. Persian inscription: 'By the Power of the Creator of the World'. Tamgha of Möngke Khan (Album 1978E.2; Zeno 163035, 164244, 198865, 157541)
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I'm bummed to hear that your participation will be dropping off @grin. It has been so nice to have you joining us for these past months!
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Yes, I have a couple of earlier coins of Golden Horde and maybe some from the other rulers, but can't add too many coins each decade as I did:)
I stopped to collect the other coins from the period before the Golden Horde and swapped or sold most of them, but still have some left, so eventually I will post something here.

E.g., I still have this Ayyubid Sultanate Dirham "al-Nasir Yusuf II" Damascus mint, which could be minted at 1251-1259

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I have a lot of Henry III coins for the 1250s. He reigned from 1216-1272, but every coin I have is from the 1250s. Presumably, he struck most of his coins just after his reforms of 1247, when he brought in the long cross coinage to stop clipping.

I don't know if we've seen many cut coins yet, but we're in that era now - before Edward I introduced the farthing in 1279, you had to cut a penny up if you wanted change.

Henry III Long Cross Cut Halfpenny, Class 5c1, 1253-1256
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Canterbury. Silver, 17mm, 0.6g. Facing bust, rounded chin, two hair curls as crescent with central pellet, pellet at end of crown, holding sceptre; HE(NRICVS REX) with III to left of sceptre. Voided long cross, 3 pellets in angles; (CAN) / TER / ION / (ON) (Moneyer Ion) (S 1369).
It may actually be class 5a2 or 5a3 - being cut and worn it's hard to tell - but that would still date it to 1251-3.
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Here is an imitative Dirham from the Kingdom of Jerusalem. It was minted at Acre between 1253 and 1260 AD. I don't have a translation of the obv legend at hand, but the rev says, "In the name of God, the benevolent and merciful."

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I'll continue with Henry III. This is from the Brussels (Belgium) Hoard of 145,000 coins, including 64,000 continental and 81,000 British pennies, abandoned around 1267. It was found in 1908 in a bricked-up vault by workmen pulling down a tavern near Brussels Cathedral.

The hoard was auctioned in 1909. The continental coins were sold separately, and the buyer melted most of them down. The British coins were bought by Baldwin's of London. Some were subsequently stolen, and many were melted down by Baldwin's in the 1920s to pay wages, so only three quarters still exist. What remained was sold by Baldwin's in 2012 and 2013.

Henry III Class 3d1 Long Cross Penny, 1250
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London. Silver, 19mm, 1.5g. Crowned square face with pointed beard, no sceptre, initial mark star 4, round eyes formed by a pellet in an annulet, pellet between curls, wedge-shaped foot on R; hENRICVS REX: III. Voided long cross; NIC OLE ONL VND (moneyer Nicole of London) (S 1364).
The hoard was used to reclassify some of Henry III's pennies, apparently including this one, which if I'm right, changed from Class 3c to Class 3d1. If it's 3d1, it's dated to 1250, while 3c is dated 1249-50.
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Yikes that silver penny looks pretty much uncirculated @jc! And nice to have provenance back to the original hoard.

Here is a Denaro from the Italian City State of Sicily that dates to between 1254 and 1258 AD. It was minted at Messina. The obv legend is + SECVNDVS R while the rev legend is + IER ET SICIL. I have attributed it as Biaggi 1273 and Spahr 175.


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Yikes that silver penny looks pretty much uncirculated @jc! And nice to have provenance back to the original hoard.

Thank you. Yes Henry III hoards are both plentiful and huge - many are the biggest ever found. It's quite likely any Henry III coin is from one of these hoards.

The Henry III posthumous issue I showed earlier was known by just one example before the Colchester Hoard was found - which contained 1916 of them. So even if you have one without a provenance, you know where it came from.

This one also comes from the Colchester Hoard. It's not easy to spot the difference with the one above, except that this time Henry's holding a sceptre and the legend starts further left.

Henry III Class 5a3 Long Cross Penny, 1251-1253
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London. Silver, 17mm, 1.4g. King holds a sceptre with III to left; no initial mark; pellet-in-crescent hair; small crescents below hair; round pellet-in-circle eyes; pellet each end of crown; rounded chin; X with straight and S-shaped limbs; HENRICVS REX III. HEN-RI O-N LV-NDE (moneyer Henri of London) (S 1367).
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It doesn't seem the 1250s are too popular, so I'll post one more from the time of Henry III.

This is a jeton from a series thought to be the first trade tokens in Britain. They all feature a human or animal on one side and none have legends. They're thought to have been made in London, but were named after a street in Dublin where a hoard of 2,061 of them was found.

It was this hoard that suggested these were used as small change rather than as ecclesiastical tokens or counters, given their volume and quality. It's thought they were ordered in bulk by a merchant (perhaps a tavern owner) for use as coins in Dublin but dumped when Edward I's reforms made them illegal. That they disappeared straight after Edward I introduced farthings and halfpennies also suggests they were used as coins.

'Winetavern Street' Jeton from the time of Henry III, 1250-1300
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Pewter. Double headed eagle. Shield with barry of nine (Mitchiner-Skinner D46).
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It doesn't seem the 1250s are too popular


Well, 13 coins so far is pretty good I think. You are right that they have come in dribs and drabs though. With that in mind, how about a last call for this decade? Starting tomorrow we can drop back to the decade of the 1240s.
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This is from the time of Batu Khan, but mentions Möngke Khan as he was the Great Khan, overseeing all 4 Khanates. Batu founded the Golden Horde as an autonomous entity. The coin may actually be from the 1250s so I'll post it now, but the dates don't seem very certain.

Dang from the time of Batu and/or Berke Khan, AH647/AD1249-1250
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Bulgar. Silver, 15mm, 1.2g. Möngke Khan / Möngke's tamgha / Supreme. Struck at / Möngke's tamgha / Bulgara (Sagdeeva 4).
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