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Where you able to find out any more information on the matte proofs? I now have some confirmed information. It had already been given 10 years ago in this portuguese numismatics forum http://forum-numismatica.com/viewto...657&p=716145And part of it published in a history of the escudo. The mint produced 250 matte sets of the Henry the navigator coins, done using a nitric acid bath, and polished afterwards. They were produced to be used as as gifts for representatives of foreign institutions. @hfjacinto enjoy the beach by the 'concha'. It may have been foggy today but you will have good summer days. |
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Thanks for the information! Interesting. I didn't read anything on the Financial Reform coin I have. I spoke to a dealer in Lisbon that said they are very very rare. He only ever got 1 in his store and it came from the USA.
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Purchased it today. I flipped through the topic and saw that you bought 1919. A cursory glance said that 1917 had a lower circulation. By the way, the seller had both years.   |
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hfjacinto - please could I have your advice on this 1837 500-Reis coin that I bought a few days ago as part of a lot of junk silver? When I looked it up in the catalog I discovered it was quite a rare coin with a mintage of only 1,266. However I am not sure if it is genuine. It weighs 13g whereas Krause says it should way 12.5g. (My scales are not perfect but show a clear difference in weight between this coin and my other 500R coins). The diameter is fractionally less than the two genuine 500R coins I already have (1889 and 1896) and the coin is definitely thicker. The edge milling is coarser and seems strangely crisp and sharp for a circulated coin of this age. The first two figures of the date are quite weakly struck. There is what appears to be a raised blob of solder on the reverse - I soaked the coin in acetone for 24 hours but this did not remove it. The sound it makes when dropped is duller and deeper than the sound made by my other 500R coins. It passes the ' tissue test' and is not magnetic. I'd appreciate your opinion! Thanks in anticipation! As the coin cost me very little, I am not too worried if it is a counterfeit.   Edited by NumisRob
07/22/2023 08:50 am
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Hi Rob,
The weight is supposed to be 14.8 grams so 13 is off I agree the design isn't as sharp as I would expect, the weight worries me. But as It is a rare and expensive coin, that I would recommend getting it third party graded. There is enough there that it could grade VF25 and be worth over $500 (usd) But while the design elements worry me, if you can confirm the coin is silver there is enough uncertainty that it might be worth the cost just to be sure. If it is I would try and get it conserved, paying $100 for $500+ makes the risk worth it.
But before you do anything try to confirm it's silver (by a jeweler or coin shop), it's supposed to be 91.7 silver.
BUT after typing all that you can get this one as a fake, you can buy it on a certain website. Looks exactly like yours. Fooled me for a second. So chances are pretty good it's fake but I would still try to confirm it's silver.
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07/22/2023 10:26 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks hfjacinto - I've looked at that website and the ones on offer do look very similar!
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Pillar of the Community
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For many years we have had a plague of fakes of scarce silver coins. Yous seems a cast fake. There are worse. I mean better made.
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Hi hfjacinto,
For Thanksgiving, I will be going to the south of Spain with TAP and have a stopover in Lisbon. Any suggestions which coin shops and museums I should visit while there? Also, do you have any suggestions what the best area in Lisbon is to stay?
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09/18/2023 12:49 pm
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If @hfjacinto will excuse me for adding to his answer. A good alternative to the BCP basement is the museum of the roman theater. It is in the hill with the castle. There is a nice garden nearby with a good view to the river and eastern Lisbon. The castle itself has a small museum with coins found on the hill. Arab and medieval. For seeing nice-looking, impressive coins the two museums to go to are the Museum of Money but above all the Gulbenkian Museum. Their collection of greek coins may remain the best in the world in quality of the pieces. You will have to see it to believe. For coin shops, besides that one there are shops in Rua do Ouro. No web site but sometimes american coins show up there. I myself am planning on selling some of my half and double eagles there soon.  |
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I have never gone to the Gulbenkian Museum, its on my list. Next trip to Portugal.
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Bedrock of the Community
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@hfjacinto - this is one of my areas of interest - is there a link to a good article about the beginnings of Portuguese Colonial coinage in the New World. I posted on for the beginnings of Spanish Colonial coinage in the continent but interested in the Portuguese history as colonization began for Portugal in 1494 which was pretty early on.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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