1965 P Washington Quarter- Just DDD Or Maybe Doubled Die Obverse / DDO ? - Page 2

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MrBreeze Valued Member United States 357 Posts	Posted 04/20/2022 11:02 pm Thank you @silviosi- I agree that they look like a match. I am not sure what you mean by this being a Type C on first MS? Thank you for helping me with this. I am learning a lot. Do you think this is more than a. DDO FS-101? Is there something additional having to do with the reverse type of C? Report this Post to the Staff
MrBreeze Valued Member United States 357 Posts	Posted 04/20/2022 11:10 pm Here is the first 1965 P Washington quarter DDO FS-101 that I found a little over a month ago. This was found in a roll of quarters from my bank. The coin I from this topics main post, I found yesterday going through a tube of BU quarters at my LCS. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 04/20/2022 11:36 pm First MS for me is 60 to 63. The DDO is an add to the coin. Me I ignore those DD's. @Tan. The type C appear first on 1964D and is very scarce. 1965P is Rare. The 1965SMS, 1966, 1966SMS and 1967SMS are not yet confirmed. Also we have the 1967P which it is rare. No other coins was struck with Dies from this Hub. 1965 Phil type C in rare, common for this year was Type D and E. The type C is rare and some years are believe to exist but not yet confirmed. Very soon I will finish all those varieties and I will post here the table of all years and the varieties. Also VV on the page : http://www.varietyvista.com/09a%20W...arieties.htm ad note the reality to be on this year in Phil with this Type. Edited by silviosi 04/20/2022 11:56 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinHunter27 Pillar of the Community United States 5887 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 12:30 am Well that's just some crazy luck MrBreeze. Big congrats to you and I would consider getting those both in a slab, especially the one you just found yesterday as that is in amazing shape for this variety. Both grade-worthy coins IMO. -CH27 Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 09:19 am Okay I see Silviosi. Some places do note Type C as scarce or rare for 1965, the VV link you and I posted does not say this though. Not sure which to trust. But regardless this DDO is not noted to be paired with that reverse design type, this is a documented die pairing. And "ignore the DDO"? Do you know how rare this DDO is? Even if this is also a minor design variation, it would not even get close to overshadowing the obverse. Report this Post to the Staff
MrBreeze Valued Member United States 357 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 09:47 am Thanks all! It does seem pretty crazy that I have found 2 of these in such a short timeframe! @silviosi- I am still trying to figure out exactly what you think I might have here. Here is what I think you are saying and please correct me if I am wrong. * The obverse shows what appears to be a DDO-001 FS-101 (026), but with a different reverse die from the 1965 DDO FS-101 shown on Variety Vista and PCGS CoinFacts (RDV-004) * The coin potentially exhibits a Type C reverse (RDV-003) with the FS-101 obverse. This reverse is shown to be used on 1965 Washington quarters, but not the above noted DDO-001 FS-101(026) * You indicated that you might know of 5 of these with this unique die pairing? Where would I find documentation on these? I searched ANACS, PCGS and Variety Vista and couldn't find anything. I also did some google searching and could not find anything. Thanks much for any additional information as I continue my research on this coin! Report this Post to the Staff
MrBreeze Valued Member United States 357 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 09:54 am @tanman2001 - I had to read the Silviosi comment again. He did say that the DDO is an add to the coin and that he ignores the DD. I am thinking DD means Die Deterioration. I did look at the VV link and it does show 2 reverse dies for the 1965 P. They are the RDV-003 and the RDV-004. I think the RDV-004 is the Type D and the RDV-003 is the Type C (maybe). I am getting in above my head a little bit trying to figure this one out. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff
Willburton Pillar of the Community United States 2558 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 10:44 am Don't read into it too much. Very nice coins. I agree with the submission part. You could possibly get $3-400 for that coin one day! Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 10:49 am Maybe I am misunderstanding. But in their first comment they did say (I'm paraphrasing) if it is a Type C you will forget about the 'minor' DDO. I am completely lost with them.Your coin is clearly a Type D (RDV-004) as is expected from being paired with the DDO-001 die. Maybe the 1965 Type C reverse is uncommon but the difference between it and the Type D is so incredibly minute there will be little if any collector interest. It would be listed somewhere if it had a collector interest at all, CherryPickers Guide, PCGS, anywhere, but it's not. What is is the DDO, and it's a couple hundred dollar coin in this condition. And am I misinterpreting their one comment here: "For just your information for my coin I have refuse offers for 35K." Are they saying they have a 1965 Type C and were offered 35k for it? No shot. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 04/21/2022 11:05 am MrBreeze, yes they are different type: Type A = RDV-001, Type B= RDV-002 IIa, Type C=RDV-003 IIIo, Type D=RDV-004 IIIa1, Type E=RDV-005 IIIa2, Tpye F=RDV-006 IIIb, Tupe M (or G)=RDV-007 IIIm, Type H=RDV-008 IIb and so long for the rest. A mention it is the Type A which is not confirmed yet, I still have some work to do and then to summit to see the others what will say (the specialists), because I thing we have two kind Ia and Ib. So you can see the RDV-002 and RDV-008 are on the II pattern and RDV-003, RDV-004, RDV-005, RDV-006 and RDV-007 on the III pattern. Brake finish. Report this Post to the Staff
gsp193 Pillar of the Community United States 975 Posts	Posted 04/23/2022 3:35 pm Awesome finds!! Congrats MrBreeze!! Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7514 Posts	Posted 04/23/2022 3:48 pm First off a great find followed by a great discussion here. And I agree with tanman's assessment as well. Quote: Your coin is clearly a Type D (RDV-004) as is expected from being paired with the DDO-001 die. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 04/23/2022 8:44 pm @Chase and Tan. You mention some sources which do not mention Type C RDV-003 Because it is so scarce then they never have. The ANACS have 'it. the differences on the third pattern is very mince and we have to go very deep. To see the differences you have to go by small angles, lines of the letters and etc. I put the compared between type C and type D and we can see differences. My coins is 67 and I was lucky to have at a good price. It is the third in line know coins in this type, not the best. In my opinion this coin pass the test of the Type C. Other thing: They are coins which never was mention on any side except internally collectors. to give an example: I have an Constantius I concave gold coin with his wife on. Only two know yet and no web or TPG say about, mean those web or TPG go by what they see and find and not necessary the absolute low. They do what they can. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 04/23/2022 9:26 pm For all members I will post here the table with the quarters RDV from Miguel and for shore with the contribution of the regretted Herbert P. Hicks: If you do not believe, maybe ask the Bests and great specialist on this site. Edited by silviosi 04/23/2022 11:14 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96989 Posts	Posted 04/23/2022 11:08 pm Very cool find, Mr Breeze! hang onto that baby! Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
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1965 P Washington Quarter- Just DDD Or Maybe DDO?