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Pillar of the Community
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One of your first posts: Quote:
I subsequently sent the coin to NGC in the PCGS holder, requesting a minimum of DETAILS for cross over. I figured NGC would at least see that PCGS thought the coin was struck with a mint die. I also requested metallurgical analysis for their $75 fee.
Today I read at NGC that the coin did not cross over, and it is in the mail. So, I assume I am getting the PCGS holder back. I will send a pic when it arrives. New post from you: Quote:
An inquiry was just sent to NGC, asking they would be more likely to evaluate the coin if it were not in a PCGS holder. Just a hunch, but I am guessing they will not take a coin out of a holder unless they can be sure it is genuine so they will reholder it in an NGC holder. I think that you are not total honest with us here. Your posts contradicted each ones. Good luck on your investigations. |
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I do have an accurate scale coming in a few days. I decided I will take the coin out of the PCGS holder this week, weigh the coin, and also measure the specific gravity. Then I will continue looking for an additional XRF scan, outside of any holder. My son can have it done in a month or so, but if I can find something sooner, I will do so.
The carbon spots pointed out by the moderator show it is easy to prove that the coin was certified genuine by PCGS, so I don't lose this part of the evidence.
I will also explain the simple specific gravity method, and why it works. What a teachable moment! This could be useful for anyone else on this forum. I am not a physicist, but do know a fair amount of Newtonian mechanics. The method is easy to explain, and there are ways of explaining why the method works without getting bogged down with equations and free body diagrams.
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I am actively looking for other XRF machines.... I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but many pawn shops or jewelers have XRF scanners. I have brought interesting metallic pieces I've found metal detecting and had them tested. They didn't even charge me any fee. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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United States
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Thanks, Pete.
I contacted the largest, most reputable jeweler in Niagara Falls and they didn't have one, and I also contacted Jack Hunt in Buffalo and they never got back to me. I kind of dropped that avenue when I sent the coins in to PCGS and then NGC. I will send out some e-mails tonight.
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United States
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I called a few pawn shops on break, and no one answered their phone. Then I sent a message to a reputable coin dealer in Hamburg, NY, asking if he was interested in helping.
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United States
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Your posts contradicted each ones. What am I missing?  NGC did not cross the coin from the PCGS slab. The OP assumes the coin is being returned still in the PCGS slab. The OP asked if they would be better off submitting raw to give them a better look. |
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United States
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I just got two offers, via e-mail, to buy Copper-Tungsten bars. I love big data!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A friend of mine who is a long time resident of the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area suggests you contact Peter A Hofert Jewelers. 9140 Transit Road East, Amhurst, NY 14051. 716-636-0390. Hopefully this helps.
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United States
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Valued Member
United States
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Northeast Metal Reclaiming in Williamsville, NY has offered an XRF scan for free, some time after the 21st of November. Game on! This time we will do the coin raw, in addition to one of my many boring old bronze 1909 VDB's.
I also have a call in to Peter Hofert, and will use him as well, possibly before, if he is willing and able. It can't hurt to have two results.
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11/14/2022 3:04 pm
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United States
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Here is an interesting read on Mushet Steel, invented in 1868 by Robert Mushet. Mushet steel was self hardening, and contained 8% Tungsten. By 1910 it was being mass produced, and REVOLUTIONIZED ENGINEERING!!!!!!! Tungsten Steel was exhibited at the World's Fair in 1900 with as much as 20% Tungsten. A lot happened in electro-chemistry during this interim. Consider that in 1886 the electro-chemical methods of Aluminum refining were powered by batteries. After 1895, electro-chemical refining and other chemical engineering was powered by Niagara Falls. Power transmission via AC power had very little power loss from Niagara Falls to Buffalo Avenue and the Tonawandas, which is why chemical engineering on the Niagara Frontier grew at breathtaking speed. So, why wouldn't the mint try Tungsten in a die trial? The coins could presumably be more durable. Given the circumstances, I would be more surprised if they hadn't tried Tungsten! One small fact not revealed before now is there is a slight doubling in LIBERTY on the yellow VDB. It is difficult to see in photos, especially with my ancient Android Samsung phone, but it is there. My son saw the doubling without a loop. https://www.westyorkssteel.com/blog...speed-steel/Edited by philoponus6
11/14/2022 7:57 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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If I had access to such a convincing die as produced this yellow VDB - or an engraver that could make such - and also had the moral flexibility to pass such a cent off as real - the last thing I would do is produce this cent. As the current situation shows, such an endeavor would only have a slight chance of paying off. It would not be a certain venture, and even if successful, would take a lot of time and energy, as I am investing. It would have to be a labor of love, so to speak.
What would I make? Assuming I had the requisite moral elasticity, I would produce maybe 500 1909-s VDB's and 500 1914-d's, and try to slip them into the market.
I would walk around with a pocketful, so as to not flood the market with BU cents. Occasionally I would slip one into a Coinstar machine to make some kid's day, or I might even sell a roll of 1909 VDB's and slip one or two in, by accident of course.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OP, you are slipping into the dreamland of speculation. Suggest you pursue getting all the facts together. Thanks for sharing the journey the end is in sight.
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Valued Member
United States
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Just trying to see all angles, and have a little fun....
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United States
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When my coin collecting son was in 2nd grade, his teacher had each child in the class fashion a book. My son's book was about coins, and specifically about the 1909 VDB. In 5th grade, on a NYS exam, students had to read an essay and write a page or so about what they read. The essay was about Victor David Brenner! My son's classmates were all scratching their heads, not completely understanding what they read. Not my son. We still laugh about that episode in education. Irony. |
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