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I was offered this coin to buy from someone I have bought from before.I know there are lots of fakes of this coin so wanted opinions on authenticity. Thanks Joseph   |
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I am in no way an expert, josephrg...but if that coin is a fake...it is truly well done. It would help to see a pic of the edges.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Almost looks too good to be true!
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes there are a lot of fakes of these. You could buy it on condition you can return it for refund if found to be fake. You could send it to David Sear to authenticate or NGC to grade. That would give you some assurance IMO. It looks like it's been cleaned or maybe it's the lighting. I'm not experienced enough to give an opinion. You could check Forum Ancient Coins, Dr. Prokopov's Fake Ancient Coin Reports to see if there is a match. I have one of this type, bought from Harlan Berk about 20 years ago so I'm confident it's genuine.
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04/09/2023 2:58 pm
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I will ask for a edge picture. May be worth taking a chance if he offers returns.
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this is the only picture I have Not the greatest image  |
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Given that the coin shows no hint of encrustation or dirt on the silver, if real, it has been in collections for a long time. So the person can easily tell you where they got it from and you can trace it back to the auction house etc. If they don't tell you, since the coin is sought after but not rare, it might be some eastern European find and they don't want to say that etc. Everyone offering one of these knows exactly where they go it.
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I heartily second the assessment of louisvillekyshop, and the advice of livingwater. Try your best to get whatever background you can. As long as the price is right and you can secure a money-back agreement with the Seller, by all means take the risk. Then spend a little more to have the coin inspected by a respected Authenticator. I wish and hope for, the best for you, my friend. Keep us posted!
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To my untrained eye, josephrg, I see nothing that would indicate to me that this coin is a fake. Is the weight acceptable? I would still spend a little extra for authentication.
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It is a bad and obvious pressed replica made by Petar Petrov, you can find them on ebay for sale as authentic by fake sellers or as replica by replica sellers and on Etsy as replica. The pelica can be found in the catalogue of replicas of Petar Petrov (8.A _Catalogue_Roman_Denarius there number 203 A), there are many catalogues of his replicas he is very active. https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/144...ive_24&frs=1   Edited by Amentia
04/20/2023 09:38 am
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Again...I plead no expertise...but this OP coin is very different than the replica depicted in Amentia's post. The one detail I'm seeing in the original coin is the flattened high-spots exhibited on the reverse elements. Very suggestive of a hammering of the metal disc prior to a strike. The elements on the replica are low and weak, with the field surfaces appearing quite different than seen on the coin presented by josephrg. I look forward to getting a follow-up on this! Keep us in the loop, Joseph.
I am, however, appreciative of Armentia's contribution to this topic. Really awesome to see this back-and-forth. Thank you!
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04/20/2023 3:36 pm
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@jos, I know that you already posted on epic of the edge. That specific area looks fine, although perhaps a bit "squared off". On the fields, there appear to be flow lines from this piece being struck. Can you please confirm that there is not a parting line anywhere along the edge though? Thx.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I can't comment on the authenticity of this piece, but I've seen better elephant legs at kebab / gyro joints. Did whoever designed this coin ever see an actual elephant?  Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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It is a die match to a Fake from modern Hand Cut dies so it is 100% Fake.
The Edge/rim seems to be equally thick, which is typichally for pressed Fakes. No slippage or Double Strike and flat fields which is typichally for pressed Fakes.
Wear is artificially.
I understand that many think that they are experts and their opinion is important.
We live in a free world so ist is fine as Long AS it will Not harm anybody.
It is possible that the Poster will lose some Money on this Fake, If seller refuses a refund.
I am very good in detecting Fakes and I only Open my mouth If I am really really confident (have good Arguments) that a coin is Fake or authentic.
You can Post IT for example to forumancientcoins.com
I am confident that experts there will condemn IT,
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04/20/2023 5:35 pm
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