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Uhr: Replacement Coin Is A Keeper!

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I thought I'd post this as a separate topic. My UHR double eagle has no apparent damage issues, but the obverse has lots of prominent die polish lines. They are very visible in my photo but are somewhat harder to see in-hand. I actually didn't even notice them until I took the picture. I'm wondering whether I should send it back for a replacement. Obviously there is no guarantee that a replacement coin won't have similar polish lines, or perhaps some actual damage or other defect. What would YOU do?

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Wow, that's pretty bad....personally I'd return it, I'd insist on perfection on a coin of this price.
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OHHHHHHHH Mannnn Send it back there is no way that coin should look like that. It should grade a 69 or 70. With those line it would never grade better then a 66 and that is not acceptable for that type of coin.
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throw it back! throw it back! I would send it back also. It looks like someone took a brillo pad to it
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No doubt....send it back! Anyone know if there's a progression that the dies go through as they wear? Is it to be expected that coins produced later in the cycle to start exhibiting signs of wear like this? Is it better to order coins from the mint when they first become available to get better looking specimens?
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Oh, yea, and back it goes.
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I would treat that one like a home run hit into the bleachers by the visiting team at Wrigley Field.
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The U.S. Mint showcasing how they handle the products they ship out, and how carefully they treat expensive Proof coins to Uncirculated Biz. strike coins and packaging......the whole gambit is not good however......and I think it's the quality of employees they have there. And how seriously they do their job. Which is VERY POOR ! And this is Management ie. "Bosses" or "Foremen" or whoever closely watches "quality control" and how well the individuals are doing their jobs as well as product output as a whole.
This coin should have NEVER SHIPPED !......
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With those line it would never grade better then a 66 and that is not acceptable for that type of coin.


The coin is a business strike coin, not a proof. Die polish lines should not drop the grade to a 66.

But I would probably return it.




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How much do you want to bet. Do you think PCGS or NGC would give this coin a 69 or 70. Maybe SEGS or some other low end grading company.
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I'd bet a bag of donuts, but don't know how we'd figure out who is right. :)

But I don't see how die polish hairlines can drop the grade of a coin down to 66. At least I don't see where the standards, as published by PCGS, would allow for that.

PCGS doesn't give out many 70's, so odds would be slim even without the hairlines.


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I love donuts. Your on. I see it this way, Since 69 and 70 is a near perfect and perfect coin which would put it as perfection and that has mostly to do with the state of the dies and the strength of the strike to give its flawless look. so if a coin has nasty polishing marks then it is no way near perfection let alone perfect. And grader's hold the coins eye appeal high on the grading scale.
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PCGS and NGC do photo grading, don't they?
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They do provide photo grading, but it isn't cheap. Eventually there will be graded examples that have sold on heritage, and their photos are good enough to see hairlines like the one on this coin.

Donuts it is.
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