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Does PCGS Make Mistakes?

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 Posted 08/09/2023  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, they're OFTEN wrong on assessing coins. But a big fat Chinglish typo on the label? Very unlikely.

Remember it is not the graders that make the labels (although they make enough errors!). Any secretary can make a typo.

The font checks out OK which is something non-typical with a lot of Chinese fakes. The volume of coins the company goes through through in a day also makes it easy for a typo to slip through. When you watch the video of their process, you will find they check the slabs with the initial list to make sure the coin is what the list says. I can imagine at the end of the day any number of checkers could have something like this slip as it is a very repetitive task.

Especially nowadays where people do not know the difference between things like loose & lose or shinny and shiny (former teacher!). Not being mean...just factual. I have enough of my own faults I have to deal with daily.

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 Posted 08/09/2023  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, they're OFTEN wrong on assessing coins. But a big fat Chinglish typo on the label? Very unlikely.

The typo appears on the PCGS website for that certification number.

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/18190490
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08/09/2023 3:11 pm
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 Posted 08/09/2023  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Brandmeister Thanks for the backup!


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 Posted 08/09/2023  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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LOL! Not only spelled wrong on the slab, but also on their website!
At least they are consistent. Copy & Paste, for the win!
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I imagine what's typed into their database automatically goes on the label. I'm surprised it's not a dropdown with only the allowed values - I'm assuming it's not misspelled in a dropdown list or we'd see it on every slab designated with that. A spelling error is pretty small beans.

There was that whole gradeflation thing where they deleted all their coin facts images presumably to remove the evidence... quite a few years ago.
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Spelling errors on labels and rotated coins seem like really elementary quality control issues. While on one hand, yes, they are minor, and don't seem like a big deal at the end of the day, they are also really easy to fix logistically and seem quite embarrassing for the leading TPG in the USA.
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If you're gonna pay $50-100 for a professional service, they should furnish a professional looking product. Having the coin right side up seems like a very basic expectation.
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It was suggested that I send my dime in to have the spelling error corrected, but I don't mind having an error coin slab label with a misspelled word. It's interesting and lots of fun to show to other collectors, but I know it's only a typo. PCGS has always been my favorite TPG and I'll keep using them for my few coins that should be certified.

Reading about some of the major slip ups made by PCGS has surprised me! I can't imagine sending in a coin for grading and having it wind up conserved with the original toning gone. That had to be a heart breaker.

I've only been surprised by a couple of PCGS certifications. I had a fantastic 1909 VDB Lincoln come back as Uncirculated Details Damaged and on the paperwork it said 'Tooled.' I really thought it had a good chance at MS66 or MS67. My Cheerios Dollar came back one point lower than I hoped, but I couldn't see the reverse before it was submitted. I had to agree that they got it right at MS67 with all the chatter in the fields on the reverse.
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What I'm specifically questioning in my post is the possibility that a false dies designation would be attributed to a genuine coin by mistake, not about alterations, vise jobs or spelling mistakes. I would assume that they would have many procedures for designating a coin as fake vs genuine. I'm just wondering if its worth resending it.
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It's far more likely that your raw coin, presumably thought genuine by both you and its original owner, is actually counterfeit, rather than the TPG has falsely branded a genuine coin to be counterfeit. Is it possible? Yes, I suppose, though can't recall seeing a confirmed example of such. But the odds are not in your favour.

If you post pictures of the coin in question, we might be able to offer opinions as to authenticity, or at least explain why the TPG thought it was fake. Without pics, we'd just be guessing.
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I looked up that Imporpor slab and yes it is a genuine slab and yes the item description on their website has that weird spelling. Could it be an actual real word that is some sort of jargon?
I also collect error slabs. Once purchased a ram shilling that had the country as NZ on the slab in the dealers photo, blasted coin turned up reslabbed correctly as Australian and I only purchased it because it was a goof slab, but there was another goof in that it was also an error coin with a large lamination fault.
I also have multiple counterfeit coins in genuine slabs and dozens of coins with wrong mint or wrong variety attribution.
Then there is a gem coin that was graded as cleaned because it looked too good to be true, but several others from that same roll were graded top of the pops 67.
Or a sixpence that has a super high gem grade 67+on the slab that was graded and imaged showing a patch of green corrosion,
Then there are coins of which I have dozens of the same date where I can line them up from lowest to highest grades and can spot coins that are overgraded and others undergraded, and not by a half point or point but 2 points.
I've done submissions with 50+ coins and I presume others have as well and do they ever have multiples on their desk being graded or imaged and put the wrong coin back in the wrong coin flip or put the wrong coin with the wrong label as they encase them? Easy on a production line process when dealing with big batches.
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