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1948 Washington Quarter Mint Error - Struck Through Retained Metal

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 Posted 11/20/2023  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TB, from the photos, I took one and in 3D seem to be an missing dettached exfoliation. Here I attache the photos as you took. From the point of view of Silver alloy is very plausible if the metal was not proper annealed and then rolled. The Cu, Ag and A if missing proper anneling, could fracture horisontal or vertical due to the molecular cubic or allmost cubic form.

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 Posted 11/21/2023  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I echo your concerns, tropicalbats. The extra metal (if metal it is) appears to stand above the adjacent normal field and design. That would indicate it was added to the coin after it left the mint.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. Silviosi's rendering seems to show die scratches continuing from the seemingly unaffected areas of the coin into the area of the anomaly. The die scratches in the area in question seem to actually be more prominent than the unaffected ones. Similar loss of fine details happens on clad coinage when there is a loss of the clad layer. Also , if just part of a clad layer is lost, there is a noticeable step in the face of the coin where clad meets core.
Could this be an actual struck through,which when partially lost, mimics a clad layer.
Food for thought
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 Posted 11/21/2023  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this had been struck-in or rolled-in metal, then you would see a shallow depression where some of the metal has lifted up or been lost. Here, there is no such depression, indicating the metal was deposited after the coin left the Mint. It could have been carefully rubbed so as to conform to the underlying design, or its time spent in circulation could have accomplished the same thing.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good point sir.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I think we can put this one to bed. I'm calling it PMD of a deliberate nature. First, there is what was noted already that there is a step between the field and the extra metal (yes it is metal). That should be flat.

Next I looked at the die scratches mentioned by Stoneman. Sadly, those are surface scratches. The coin is BU and has no scratches elsewhere except on and near this part. Seems that after it was applied some smoothing work was done and it put these light scratches on there.

Then there is the idea of die detail in general being visible on the surface of the added metal. It is not. It is a late stage die with a lot of flow lines and none of that shows up on the metal surface, which is overall uniform. But looking closely at the A of STATES you can see where the metal covers the die flow at the bottom. Sorry but the lighting on this image makes things look reversed, but stare at it long enough and the devices will look raised.


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And finally, where there are gaps or rips in the metal it appears there is a bit of glue visible. I can't prove that, but that's what it looks like.


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I think that is plenty of evidence to suggest malicious alteration to the coin to create a fake error coin. I fell for it based on an ebay image, but the "error" was not noted in the listing and I have every reason to believe the seller was not trying to pass this off intentionally. Just another bad one that will be pulled and added to my counterfeit collection.

Thanks again for all the comments and help with this one.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peanut26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow thats very different, gotta love those that make go...hmmmm
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 Posted 11/21/2023  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad I could assist you in reaching the correct, if disappointing, conclusion. Still, it did provide a useful object lesson.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike, as always your assistance is invaluable. Thanks for your help. But the coin is not disappointing, as I collect fake and counterfeit coins of all kinds including fake errors, so this gets added to my collection. It just does so in a different way than anticipated.
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 Posted 11/21/2023  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also collect counterfeits and clever alterations. So, I know where you're coming from.
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Great investigative work Bats!
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 Posted 11/23/2023  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am glad for other addition of your collection. When I say the inferior part of the coin, look at the cracks. Between the R a A in Dollard it is a split Die Crack which seem like manny will assume it is an Pre-Cud, but in fact it is an very old Die. Also look at the nice exemple of the DDD. I am glad for your new addition.
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