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tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/29/2023 12:36 pm Here is the comprehensive list since we started (please let me know if I've missed anything). Pretty impressive collective effort to come up with these 31 compositions! 69% Poland ¼ thaler 1657 KM#A94 (tdziemia) 68% France 20 francs 1930s KM#879 (erafjel, Hondo Boguss) 67% France 30 sols 1792 KM#606 (ironhorse) ........Germany / Prussia 1/3 thaler KM#303 (spence) 65% Costa Rica 25 centimos 1924 KM#168 (NumisRob) ........Portugal 50 escudos 1971 KM#601 (triggersmob) 64% Austria 5, 10 schillings KM#2882, 2889 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao ½ guilder 1941 KM#44 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao 1/10 guilder 1944 KM#43 (january1may) ........Netherlands 5 cents 1859 KM#91 (spence) ........Netherlands 25 cents KM#164 (triggersmob) 63% Germany 5 marks 1958 KM#123.1 (mrwhatisit) ........Poland 2 gulden 1770 KM#186.2 (tdziemia) 62% Flanders 4 stuivers 1540 N#96940 (tdziemia) 60% Straits Settlements 20 cents 1927 KM#30b (Hondo Boguss) ........Sweden 25 öre 1907 KM#775 (triggersmob) Also noted that the pegione of Milan circa 1400 was at around 66%, and that the Kutch 1/2 kori (Y-13) is at 61%. (Note: for some of the Kutch coins listed at 0.61 in Numista, KM has them at 0.601). 59% Poland 2 zlote KM#C-123 (tdziemia) 58% Austria 20 kreuzer KM#1999 (paralyse) .......Dutch Republic/Holland, 2 stuivers, KM#48 (spence) .......Hungary, 20 krajcar, KM#432 (paralyse) .......Spanish Netherlands/Brabant escalin KM#47 (tdziemia) 57% Nethelands 5 cents KM#52 (BCTokens) ........Liege escalin KM#165 (paralyse) 56% German States/Prussia 1/6 thaler KM#299 (spence) .......German States/Oldenburg 28 stubuer KM#40(Jever) (paralyse) 54% Poland 4 groszy 1767 KM#185 (tdziemia); KM has this at 55% 51% Poland 4 groschen 1787 KM#208.1 (tdziemia); KM has at 55% 50% Australia florin 1958 KM#60 (triggersmob) ........Canada 25 cents KM#62a, 68a (DBM) ........Egypt 2 quirsh 1944 KM#369 (Hondo Boguss) ........France 10 euros 2011 (NumisRob) ........German States/Bavaria 20 kreuzer KM#549.1(paralyse) ........Great Britain florin KM#817a, crown KM#836 (NumisRob) ........Great Britain halfcrown KM#818.2 (paralyse) ........Great Britain 3p KM#848, 6p & shilling KM#852, 853 (Hondo Boguss) ........India ½ rupee 1945 KM#552 (Hondo Boguss) ........New Zealand ½ Crown 1935 KM#5 (Hondo Boguss) ........Peru 1 sol 1931 KM#218.2 (Hondo Boguss) ........Poland 1 gulden 1664 KM#120 (tdziemia, paralyse) ........Portugal 1000 escudos KM#731, 10 euros 2010 (hfjacinto) ........Russia 10 kopeks KM#Y20a (paralyse) ........South Africa 50 cents KM#62 (Hondo Boguss) ........USSR 10, 15, 20 kopeks KM#Y80-82 (january1may) Noted by january1may that 55% coins include the 10 cents (KM#104a), 25 cents (KM#105a) and 50 cents (KM#109a) of early 20th century Ceylon, and at 52%. several 1/4 florin coins of the Austrian Empire/Franz Josef, KM# 2214-2217. Also noted that the 1/6 talara coin of the Duchy of Warsaw, KM#C85 under Poland is 53%. 49% German States/Saxony-Albertine 1/12 thaler KM#638 (paralyse) 48% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N#95425 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VI (1385-1389) (erafjel) 45% Poland 6 groschen KM#42 (tdziemia) 44% German States/Hamburg doppelschilling KM#419 (spence) .......German States/Hamburg 4 schilling (KM#359.1) and 8 schilling KM#367 (paralyse) 42% Mexico 50 centavos KM#448 (ariette) 41% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N# 104038 (tdziemia) 40% Burgundian Netherlands/Flanders, briquet N#248787 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VII N#4633 (erafjel) .......French Indochina 10 cents KM#14 (erafjel) .......Sweden I krone KM#814 (paralyse) .......Sweden 5 kronor KM#839 (triggersmob) .......U.S. Eisenhower dollar (jbuck, paralyse, kbbpll) .......U.S. Kennedy half (paralyse) I know from this thread http://goccf.com/t/457142 that 47% exists (maybe someone has an Ottoman zolota?). Aso noted by january1may that medieval Brabant 2 gros coin N#309707 is 43%. 38% German States/Prussia 2 ½ groschen KM#486 (mrwhatisit) ........Lithuania ½ groat Alexander N#31088, 343561 (DBM, january1may) ........Lithuania ½ groat Sigismund I N#63424, 130413 (january1may, DBM) ........Lithuania ½ groat Sigismund II N#35047, 104468, (tdziemia) ........Sweden 1/24 Riksdaler KM#522 (paralyse) 37% Poland 1 groat KM#163 (tdziemia) 36% Lithuania groat KM#10 (tdziemia) 35% Dominican Republic ½ peso KM#15 (ariette) ........Finland 1 markka KM# 49 (triggersmob) ........U.S. Jefferson War Nickel (Hondo Boguss, jbuck, paralyse) 34% Lithuanian groat 1566 N#46216 (tdziemia) 33% German States/Baden 3 kreuzer KM#211 (spence) 32% France, Charles VIII dizain N#34529 (erafjel) 31% German States/Prussia 6 groscher KM#A297 (spence) ........German States/Prussia 1/24 thaler KM#296 (paralyse) ........Italy/Papal States-Bologna muraiola KM#146? (january1may) ........Silesia/Schweidnitz ½ groat N#65413 (tdziemia) 30% France denier tournois Louis IX N#42076 (erafjel) ........Mexico 25, 50 centavos, peso KM#443, 449, 457 (Hondo Boguss) Also noted by @paralyse that some 18th century Venetian coins KM#502, 504, 545, 575 are at 39%. Tomorrrow morning we go to the 20-29% slice. I'm wondering if we can get another 20 compositions before we hit 0? Edited by tdziemia 12/29/2023 10:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 12/29/2023 4:18 pm Quote: Pretty impressive collective effort to come up with these 31 compositions! Indeed! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5180 Posts	Posted 12/29/2023 5:43 pm Percentages yet to be attested: 55, 52, 46. (A few others are uncertain.) It sounded likely that there was a modern-ish 0.550 silver coin, and a search on Numista found that this composition was indeed (apparently) used - specifically, on some lower denominations of Ceylon under George V (10 cents, 25 cents, 50 cents). A lot of 0.520s - most notably the 1/4 florins of Franz Josef I of Austria (here's one type; there are others) but also many across various German states. The 0.460 entries are confusing; perhaps the most plausible is the claim that the Japanese mameita gin ("bean money") issues of the Genbun era were 46% silver, but I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a standard or an average. I hadn't yet searched for other numbers that would round to 46%, though. ...having searched them: Brabant again. (And a few other parts of the Spanish Netherlands, but Brabant was easiest to confirm.) 5 deniers 12 grains, apparently, which comes out to 0.458 silver. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/30/2023 07:50 am I will start the 20-29% slice with this 6 groszy coin of the Poland-Lithuanian commonwealth which (as in the table posted a couple of days ago) is 4 11/18 / 16ths pure or 29% (0.288) A side note related to earlier discussion with @j1m ... Augustus uses the title Rex Poloniarum instead of Rex Poloniae on the coins struck in Saxony for use in Poland . I think this translates to King of the Poles (or Polish people) rather than King of Poland. Not sure the significance, if any ... Edited by tdziemia 12/30/2023 07:55 am Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 12/30/2023 3:44 pm Quote: Augustus uses the title Rex Poloniarum instead of Rex Poloniae on the coins struck in Saxony for use in Poland . I think this translates to King of the Poles (or Polish people) rather than King of Poland. I think it actually translates to "King of the Polands". Poloniarum is genitive plural of Polonia. "Of the Poles" is Polonorum. So my question: Is that reasonable? Were there somehow two (or more?) Polands at the time? Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/30/2023 4:43 pm Hmmm Historically there was Wielkopolska (Greater Poland) and Malopolska (Lesser Poland) until they were united "permanently" by Casimir the Great, so maybe this is the reference? Of course, not too long after this time, the "Polands" ruled by August III would be divided and taken by Prussia, Russia and Austria. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 07:26 am Hey, where did everyone go? I'll go again with what I think is the lowest I have in this range, this Lithuanian 2 denar coin specified at 3 1/2 / 16ths, 22% (0.219). Edited by tdziemia 12/31/2023 07:31 am Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 09:22 am Quote: Historically there was Wielkopolska (Greater Poland) and Malopolska (Lesser Poland) until they were united "permanently" by Casimir the Great, so maybe this is the reference? Seems plausible. Quote: Hey, where did everyone go? Away to celebrate New Year? I will add a 0.239 French liard once I'm back home, next year . . . Report this Post to the Staff
mrwhatisit Pillar of the Community United States 2967 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 09:26 am I know I have something in the percentage bracket for the 20's% Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25645 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 10:45 am The only one I have in this range is my 1789 2 Sous from Colonie de Cayenne (French Guiana) at .208. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 11:38 am Super! (and no surprise that the "silver" coins are now becoming markedly copper-y looking). I didn't run across that composition in my two favorite regions. Feeling a bit more relieved now that we are up to four compositions either posted or accounted for. Quote: once I'm back home, next year . . . That sounds so far in the future ... I guess I'll just have to be patient But also a reminder to wish everyone here a HAPPY NEW YEAR / BONNE ANNEE / GELUKKIG NIEUWJAAR / WESOLEGO NOWEGO ROKU ! Edited by tdziemia 12/31/2023 11:46 am Report this Post to the Staff
oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5255 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 12:19 pm Nobody has posted this, so here is the actual 55%, according to Krause. It is odd that the 55% was sandwich between the earlier and later years of the 50 cent. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7965 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 4:36 pm Thanks, oriole!! Yeah, when I went to look, I noticed that odd pattern, too (and I used to have a Ceylon 10 cent, but before the composition dipped to 55%). I will add your contribution to the running list next time it gets updated. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34443 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 4:51 pm Here's another coin at 0.220 silver: 1 Groschen from Hannover: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19009.html "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5180 Posts	Posted 12/31/2023 6:41 pm Quote: I'll go again with what I think is the lowest I have in this range, this Lithuanian 2 denar coin specified at 3 1/2 / 16ths, 22% (0.219). Presumably the same composition (0.219 on Numista) in Lithuanian and Gdansk denars of the 1550s... Report this Post to the Staff
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