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1888-O "Hot Lips" Morgan Dollar Grading Opinions Please?

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 Posted 01/21/2024  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice easy AU-55. I wouldn't dare acetone this coin. The black spots are nice on this coin.
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I'm with @panzaldi and @ericgreen, put it in pure acetone overnight and rise with distilled water. There is no learning, just don't wipe it or anything. It may not need conservation after that. I agree with mid-AU as well. It does not seem to have much luster.
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Great looking Vam-4 better than any of the Hotlips I've handled in the past. Acetone isn't something that is to be afraid of, just careful in handling as it is very flammable and the fumes are dangerous. putting it in acetone won't change it, colors don't change unless the coin has been painted with AT chemicals or the like. Acetone is for removing organic verdigris, such as PVC residue, and glues or adhesives. It doesn't change the color at all, it can cause an issue if it removes some gunk and the area under the old gunk is preserved or lighter, causing it to show through now the overlaying issue is gone.

I run 90% of all my coins through a minimum of a quick acetone rinse and leave to air dry (in seconds), it will remove organic stuff that can and will cause issues in years, yet are non-apparent now (finger grease, PVC, spittle drops, tiny spots of adhesive, microplastics, etc.). No real skill is needed just swish around in acetone and set aside to dry. That's it. Easy. - Use a glass or ceramic bowl, and get your acetone in quart or larger sized metal cans at the local hardware.
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 Posted 01/24/2024  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much westcoin for the thoughtful and thorough response. I'll still probably have ANACS conserve this one since I have several others that could use it, but I do have a couple with PVC residue that I will have to try that with. Now I just need to go on ebay and get some pure acetone. Thanks again for the advice, it is truly appreciated!
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Don't go to ebay as shipping is trouble for a chemical like acetone. You can find it at any Lowes, Ace Hardware, or Home Depot, even Walmart. Price has gone up a bit since I last bought a quart it was around $5.00 pre covid, today I'm sure it's more expensive, Home Depot here in Dallas sells a quart for around $10.00 now. (A quart should last you a lifetime). I've used maybe 1 and a half pints on coins and other items over the past 15 years, still have over half the can full.

here is a past thread where acetone is discussed in depth, also conservation of copper coins:
http://goccf.com/t/404457

and an old thread of mine on what it's really good for:
http://goccf.com/t/370336
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westcoin, thank you so much. Good call on the ebay thing, I've been too busy to look yet but that makes complete sense. I've got a crazy weekend but I will definitely check out the links you provided as well. Thanks again!
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It only took 5 months, but here is the result of the conservation:

1888-O-
1888-O-

I had it conserved and graded at ANACS and then graded by PCGS, so if anyone wishes to venture a guess at either grade I will post them later this week. Thanks as always all!
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Nice looking but I still think it's an AU-55.
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It only took 5 months, but here is the result of the conservation:
Looking good!

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I had it conserved and graded at ANACS and then graded by PCGS, so if anyone wishes to venture a guess at either grade I will post them later this week.
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Nice looking but I still think it's an AU-55.


@IndianGoldEagle I was of the same opinion. However, neither TPG graded it as an AU55.
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I would have said au55, but if that is off the table, au53!
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I would have said au55, but if that is off the table, au53!


@cboyera that probably would've been my second guess as well.

And yet.......Still not the grade that either TPG arrived at. I should also note that this is not a trick, the coin was straight graded by both.
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