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1861-O Seated Liberty Half Dollar (Ngc Vs You)

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This is a strange coin. The photos make it look a little darker than it appears in person--it has a bit more of a silver appearance, with some cartwheel luster. The third picture shows the color more accurately. I am wondering about the history of this coin. I heard that many Seated half dollars were stored in bags in the New Orleans mint when the Confederate Army took over operations. I wonder if many high grade specimens of 1861-O half dollars were in those bags when the mint was stormed. Did this coin witness history?



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 Posted 02/16/2024  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know some 1861-O halves were struck under Confederate occupation? This doesn't look like one of them though. My guess is it graded AU55. A nice piece.

Read more about Confederate strikes here: https://www.pcgs.com/news/was-your-...RSE%20DETAIL.
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 Posted 02/17/2024  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS62. Nice strike. Looks EDS.
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 Posted 02/17/2024  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-62 sounds about right.
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I'm in the MS62 box as well.

my only concern would be the stain at the elbow and if those hairlines were intentional to attempt to remove it. there are some that appear to cross over the arm. old cleaning? some bright spots on both sides could indicate that as well. all of this could be the photos. looking at UN and AME. those areas should have the same toning as the rest of the coin but i'll give it the benefit of the doubt
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 Posted 02/17/2024  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU53.

This is not one of the die pairs associated with possible Confederate production, no.
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Looks like an AU-58 to me.
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Thanks for your opinions. This coin is tough--I got it raw from a very old school, honorable, and conservative (in terms of grading) dealer based in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the very early 2000s, when she (the dealer) was already over 80 years old. I think it was either $160 or $180, and she listed it as "AU." The more I learned about this coin, I came to believe it was well preserved (and got its significant chatter on its surfaces) from being in a mint bag for years, possibly when the Confederate Army overtook the New Orleans mint. This is what I was speaking about in the original post--I wasn't asking if it was a Confederate strike, as I already knew it wasn't. I liked that this coin very well may have witnessed a historical event.

I submitted it to PCGS in the summer of 2020, and they called it "AU Details--Cleaned." Having seen tons of Seated Liberty coins (mostly quarters) that have been obviously cleaned, this coin didn't look nearly as cleaned to me, hence my suprise. I had a local dealer crack it out and resubmit it to NGC, which slabbed it with this AU(55) grade. Part of me wishes they would have called it AU(58), as I struggle to find enough wear to justify an AU(55) grade. Most of me sighs in relief that it got a straight grade at all, as I strongly felt that it deserved one.


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Nice coin. The dealer you speak of sounds like Catherine Bullowa


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Nice coin. The dealer you speak of sounds like Catherine Bullowa


@Everest. It is! Did you know her? She was a family friend. She gave me two half dollars when I graduated from high school as a gift. My father knew her and her husband well. I can't bring myself to trade in or sell my 1807 Draped Bust half dollar because I got it from her. I feel the same way about this coin.

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At least I was closer on this one! Still a nice coin.
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 Posted 02/18/2024  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin! Good grade.
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@Adam590: I did not know her. I knew of her in the 1960's from her advertisements in Coin World and other numismatic publications. When I started going to larger shows I finally had a chance to meet her. She was a great ambassador for the hobby
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definitely a good move resubbing it. the coin deserved a straight holder
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