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Walking Back From 1600 With Dated Coins

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 Posted 02/28/2025  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So many pretty tankas!

I looked up the type and the (76)6 seems solid. Must be one of the worst-preserved identifiable dates out there.


Current gap listing: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407, 1385, 1384, 1383, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363. Feels like we're missing a few participants from the original HFBCWG threads.

Just over 92% coverage at the moment. My previous hopeful goal of not crossing 90% before entering the 13th century is currently looking a lot less plausible than I thought but can't be quite ruled out yet (especially if some of those gaps end up filled later).
I think if we do cross 90% (that is, over 10% gaps since 1600 inclusive) I'll start summarizing the gap listings (they're already sufficiently bunched up that I've been seriously considering that).
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 Posted 02/28/2025  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So many pretty tankas!


Amazing yes!

I'll finally be able to contribute again in a few days, but only twice more total in the 14th Century.
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Golden Horde, Kildi Beg dirham, AH 762 (1361 CE)
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The date is the third line on the reverse, unfortunately no longer present on this (presumably) severely clipped example (11mm/0.8g vs 17mm/1.5g). As a single year type, there should be no problem calling it a dated coin.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces322454.html
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Current gap listing: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407, 1385, 1384, 1383, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363
Thank you for the update!

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I think if we do cross 90% (that is, over 10% gaps since 1600 inclusive) I'll start summarizing the gap listings (they're already sufficiently bunched up that I've been seriously considering that).
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 Posted 03/04/2025  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I need to post a couple to catch up with the pace.
1359 CE - Another Delhi billon Tanka AH (7)60
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1358 CE AH(7)59 Delhi Sultans billon Tanka
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 Posted 03/05/2025  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, an awkward position at the moment...

Current gap listing: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407, 1385, 1384, 1383, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1357, 1356. I miscounted the days last time and actually 1361 should already have counted as a gap back then.

It took me a while to figure out how to count bd251's coin; the Zeno category has a bunch of 763 AH examples, but they all seem to have the strokes set up differently.
AFAICT it's a double die match to Zeno 117210 - which doesn't have a legible date either, but it's a date-side die match to Zeno 271168, which does. A complicated coin!
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Yikes I lost track of the days too! Here is a Dirham from the Golden Horde dated AH 758 (1357 AD). It was minted at Saray al-Jadida under the authority of Birdi Beg. I have attributed it as ALbum A-2031.2 and Sagdeeva #277.

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It will be another month before I can post my final dated coin from this century.
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I can't play my 1356 Edward III groat, as it is not dated as such, so moving right on to this 1355 (AH756) Juchid Mongols pul.
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And to catch up to the timeline, here is the 1354 coin for the 6th of March
1354 CE (AH755) Mamluk Empire fals

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Excellent coins! I remember the discussion of the Mamluk fals; your coin shows more legend than the one in the catalog and IIRC this and other examples have confirmed the date.

Updated gap listing: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407, 1385, 1384, 1383, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1356, and we have every date past that so far. Only four days left (if there's no extreme surprise) before we overtake the How Far Back thread.
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Only four days left (if there's no extreme surprise) before we overtake the How Far Back thread.
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