Walking Back From 1600 With Dated Coins

For 1352 (AH752) I am showing this same coin (Zeno 341549) as I did from HFBCWG 7. However, this time I have delved a little deeper and have seen similar coins on Zeno, but where the 3 is retrograde.
At the time of the previous showing, I received identification from Zeno's Vladimir Suchy, very experienced in Golden Horde coins. I assumed that the 3 was correctly engraved, albeit roughly.
On re-querying Vladimir, he confirmed that yes, the 3 is retrograde on mine, and the coin is also an imitative striking, a Qrim issue possibly, and the mint name on the coin confirmed as Saray al-Jadida.
So, what say you, @j1m? Does it get a spot in this historic collection, or shall it be forever assigned to the backrooms of anonymity?

Nice examples!

If I didn't miscount, today we're at 1349, which means we're now past the current status of the How Far Back threads and entering relatively uncharted territory.


...I've forgotten that I had a 752 AH = 1351 AD coin; I've corrected the gap listing to account for it.



...yes, yet another rosette pul. AFAIK 752 is the most common date for those, and the 2 is relatively clear on my coin.


Current gap listing: 1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407, 1385, 1384, 1383, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1356, 1350, and it looks like we'll have a bunch more incoming?

My next entry is 1334 (due on March 26th), then I have a very doubtful 1323 and nothing for a while after that.

Yes, it definitely occured in 1350 and 1350 only. There was a 2nd emission 21 August 1350, which can be distinguished from the 1st by other punctuation marks (such as a fleur-de-lys at the beginning of the legend instead of a trefoil). In any event, Philip VI died 22 August - the day after! - so even the 2nd emission shouldn't have lasted more than during 1350. First coins for Philip's successor, John II, appeared in March 1351 (which according to the Catholic calendar in use at the time was still 1350, 1351 didn't begin until Easter).

You're welcome, ttkoo.

The standard reference for French royals is Jean Duplessy's Les Monnaies Françaises Royales de Hugues Capet à Louis XVI (987-1793), in two volumes (Philip VI is found in Vol 1). It can usually be found used or new at various French online dealers.

- if nothing else, an issue of early 1350 in the name of a king who died in mid-1350 can be confidently dated to 1350 if there isn't any evidence of a large posthumous mintage.
(It looks like even if the issue continued all the way to March 1351 it would still have counted as a 1350 coin in that context. So yes, both the 1st and 2nd emissions can be used for 1350 in that thread.)

Looking forward to (hopefully) finally getting some activity on the How Far Back frontier.
The 15th and 14th centuries in the 8th edition of How Far Back are going to be interesting, with the 7th edition containing (mainly in the 15th century) so many coins attributed to dates only via auction records claiming an issue for a particular year, and (mainly in the 14th century) so many coins originally posted by people who aren't very active otherwise. I guess this is part of what this thread is for.

I'm still hoping that we'll get all those gaps (especially in the 1460s and 1450s) covered up with actually-dated coins by the time the 8th edition gets there!


...this cannot possibly be true, because by that point we'd already be entering the 13th century. I'm guessing you probably meant a date in early April or (less likely) late March.


[EDIT: added some clarification on the agreement.]