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1896 Morgan Philadelphia Newbie Interest

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 Posted 07/27/2024  11:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am new to this forum, but participate in several other forums. I am completely new to coin collecting, but am very interested in learning more. I have a handful of coins from a collector that passed away over 40 years ago. I assume they are all genuine as he seemed to be a very active collector. I have looked on-line and tried to understand the subtleties of different VAM varieties, but I am learning slowly and thought I would post a few here to see what people have to say about them so I can learn more. First is a 1896 Morgan with no mint mark so I assume Philadelphia. It was wrapped in a plastic sleeve. All of these are from a safe that has been closed for close to 50 years
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 Posted 07/27/2024  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF! It's difficult to say with the pics, surfaces are too dark. But it looks uncirculated or lightly circulated. Morgan dollars are very popular. Some are common, some rare. Very common circulated Morgans are called "cull" which means they are only worth silver melt value or a few dollars over melt for stacking but they are not a collectable coin, no added numismatic value. Better condition up to mint state are worth more and have collectable value. Some rare Morgans sell for many thousands of dollars. Morgans from CC mint usually have numismatic value even if circulated. You can go to Vamworld.com to see the varieties but some features require a loupe magnifier to see them like clashes, die breaks, doubled die, etc. Here are a few tips:

1. ebay sold listings are a good place to check current prices, both raw and graded/slabbed coins.

2. Coins can have original surfaces which makes them worth more. They can be cleaned or fake. As a general rule do not clean coins.

3. The condition of a coin is very important. Is it mint state never circulated or has it been in circulation with wear, damaged with dings scratches, etc. The grading companies use a standard scale from ungradable all they way to a perfect MS70. You can find this scale on the internet like here:
https://www.pcgs.com/grades

4. There are a lot of fake Morgan and Peace dollars. Two easy tests are using a magnet and a tool called a ping tester. Morgan/Peace have a specific sound frequency when tapped on the edge. Fakes sound different. You could watch YouTube videos about fakes if you want. Unfortunately there's been instances where someone inherited a bunch of Morgan dollars or gold coins, other coin types, took them to a coin store only to find they were fakes.

5. If there is a local coin club or coin store in your area you could meet people who will help you learn.
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 Posted 07/27/2024  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure the OP is looking for a grade, This is the VAM forum.
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I am mostly just trying to learn, so some grading knowledge is great too. I take it nothing stands out on this as a VAM. Thanks for the excellent advice!
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 Posted 07/27/2024  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the poor pics, the coin is very shiny. I will try some slightly off angle pics and tone the lighting down to see if that helps.
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 Posted 07/27/2024  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of better pics.
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 Posted 07/27/2024  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Much brighter, straight-on pics needed for grading.
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Here is another try. I think resizing instead of just changing the image to 300kb helps.I'm not used to using such a small image size.

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 Posted 07/28/2024  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would it be worth getting this professionally graded if I had others to send as well?
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Au details cleaned just another super common junk silver cull Morgan
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 Posted 08/03/2024  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After looking through the vamworld site, I spent some time with a loupe and I think this is a 1896-P VAM 1E. Here are some close-up shots next to the neck and at the n in In.

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 Posted 08/04/2024  01:43 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date position is not consistent with VAM-1E. It might be VAM-28.

http://vamworld.com/wiki/1896-P_VAM-28
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 Posted 08/04/2024  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tarnold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, the most confusing part of this to me is determining the date type. It is the VAM-28. Here are a couple of other pictures. I was able to find the other attributes as well.


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Good closeup photos!

For determining date position on Morgan dollars (and tons of other info,) go to the link below. The date position diagram is about a quarter of the way down on this page.

http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Attribution_101
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