1944-P War Nickel - Metal Composition Error - 51% Copper 40% Silver No Manganese - Page 3

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Tacc Pillar of the Community United States 3535 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 12:44 pm Interesting topic so far. Hopefully it can reach a defined conclusion! I don't have any personal experience with XRF testing, but I have read plenty of related articles and many times the testing can be inconclusive for different reasons, ex; poor equipment, improper use or set-up of equipment, etc. I would continue your study of this coin! Get additional/different testing/opinions if possible. Good Luck. Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 2:24 pm The first scan of 82.49% silver and 17.51% copper was where the green dot is. The second scan of 76.51% silver and 23.49% copper was where the orange dot is ie the large lamination. The third and fourth scan were on the obverse and the fifth scan was on the opposite side of the coin's reverse from the lamination. Report this Post to the Staff
nfine Pillar of the Community United States 3471 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 2:39 pm Quote: However both NGC's report and this result shows two things in common. Being over-silvered and having no manganese. Has NGC gotten back to you yet? There's still 9% of the composition missing from their report. Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 2:57 pm Nfine, not yet. The front line phone reps at NGC are very friendly and helpful and they but they opened a ticket with the processing team but they have yet to respond. I told the rep today that it is looking likely I will need to send this slab back to them and have it corrected. Report this Post to the Staff
Tunnioc Pillar of the Community United States 3178 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 3:18 pm Just for fun, what is the weight? Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 3:29 pm Tunnioc, pretty sure it was 4.72 grams Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 5:52 pm Something interesting I just found out. They were minting Ethiopian 50 cent coins in Philadelphia in 1944 which were 80% silver 20% copper though the size of those coins don't match. Is it possible they were melting Ethiopian planchets down and making War Nickels? Report this Post to the Staff
Marv65 Bedrock of the Community United States 10546 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 6:13 pm Quote: Is it possible they were melting Ethiopian planchets down and making War Nickels? I don't know - does the US mint make their own blanking rolls? Or do they receive them from an outsourced Mill? Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 6:37 pm Here's a clip of the Denver mint in 1949, looks like they made the ingots on site. So likely they were doing so in Philadelphia in 1944 Kw9Z8H5prCA N0jkw0VWejnPe9nv Report this Post to the Staff
NumisEd Pillar of the Community United States 5185 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 9:31 pm Why don't you shoot the US Mint an email.asking about the potential use of the Ethiopian planchets for the fabrication of War Nickels? Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 10:43 pm NumisEd, great idea! I just sent the mint an email. Report this Post to the Staff
J-Tal Valued Member United States 114 Posts	Posted 01/16/2025 11:53 pm Look at the shot of the display. There is no entry for Mn They did not test for MN hence no reported number this does not mean there is no Mn present Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/17/2025 06:21 am J-Tal, yes it did check for Mn look at this. Had to scroll to the right and take a separate picture. All scans showed Mn at 0%. Report this Post to the Staff
pdzl Valued Member United States 67 Posts	Posted 01/17/2025 10:07 am NumisEd, the U.S. mint responded to me. They don't have those records anymore and referred me to the national archives for any surviving records during that time period. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96209 Posts	Posted 01/17/2025 10:17 am Well, this is turning into a very interesting discussion. Please keep us up to date on any new information you get. Is it possible that you can take this coin to another site (a local jewelry store) for another test? I think it is possible to get that test without removing it from the slab (but not entirely sure) Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
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