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This is an interesting discussion. I do agree that the XRF at NGC seems most likely since there was no plastic to interfere with any readings. Why not take this coin in its slab, a regular War Nickel in a slab (NGC preferably), and an un-slabbed War Nickel and get the test done at the same time. Then the results can be compared to see if the slab may affect the readings. I'll also mention that it's possible (although not likely) that nickel blanks could have been punched from rolled sheets of foreign alloy that were produced at the mint. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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Alright new data incoming. And unfortunately I think it only causes more questions &  . However the silver/copper results are close to the goldscope which lends credibility to both. Additionally, manganese does show up through plastic on the loose war nickelthough there is attenuation happening on some elements. Took it to a gold bullion shop, they had a thermo scientific niton analyzer XL3T300. Potential error War Nickel scan: 76.03% silver, 17.82% copper, 1.73% lead, 1.25% cadmium, .54% ruthenium. Another loose 1944-P War Nickel: 46.36% silver, 43.11% copper, 6.40% manganese, 3.07% Titanium. Loose 1944-P War Nickel inside a plastic coin capsule: 61% silver, 33% copper, 3.19% manganese, 2.81% Titanium |
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Looking at the data I'm now inclined to say that NGC's copper/silver % is correct and this isn't Ethiopian alloy. However I am also inclined to say this slabbed coin indeed does not have manganese as we saw even higher attenuation with copper than manganese so we should still be seeing something even through the holder. Plus there are significant other heavier trash metals which are probably what the missing 9% is on the report.
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One small correction, the slabbed coin had 1.73% Palladium(Pd) not Lead (Pb).
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what is the weight?
pretty sure it was 4.72 grams Since silver is denser than copper, if the coin was 80% silver it would be heavier than 5 grams. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Hondo, yes with the confirmed attenuation through plastic it is probably not 80% silver. Trying to nail down it not having manganese.
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Well it was wartime - who knows what, and how much of, they were melting down to produce roll stock.  |
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Would be cool to hear what the Mint has to say about it.
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Well if it contains 1.73% Palladium. And Palladium is at $966 an ounce
What is the worth of .081656 grams of Palladium?
Google sez $31.88 per gram. So $2.60 Palladium value.
I think we are in the background noise territory and trying to read static
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I found another gold shop that'll xrf the coins for me, looking to stop by tomorrow morning. Stay tuned.
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That is good news, but would you think they should indicate their findings on the coin holder (slab)? Such as containing 40% silver. Just a thought.
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Does XRF machine make a mistake or maybe the person does not know how to read the result. Just " eany meeny miny moe". I sure have the same problem. But the only difference was the same XRF machine was giving two different percentage rate results, and by different people. The XRF machine says this coin contains silver. They told me it is silver plated. But just a minute, this coin is supposed to be no silver content coin. But the XRF says it has silver. Investigation and more research will be done. I might be holding a fortune. PCGS wants $300 fees. I will share this coin in a near future.
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Dough101 - let me know what your experience is with PCGS. Per NGC's website if it's a metallurgic error they will print up to three of most abundant elements that aren't trace with % on the label. Problem is it seems like for War Nickels there was a lot of variability of the metal ratios during ww2 probably due to rationing and war efforts. However I plan on pressing NGC to label this as an error if it contains little to no manganese as that would be a clear violation of the composition standard. |
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