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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think we're all in consensus on this story.
Its not a cool thing that a guy got killed, but when your going to involve yourself in crime, and especially in a particuarly invasive form of crime such as burglury, that person should understand that that they are taking their lives into their hands because these things do happen.
I think I'm saying in so many words what everyone else is saying in this thread. The guy didn't necessarily deserve to die, but it was a consequence he should of thought of before he made the choice to rob people.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I think I'm saying in so many words what everyone else is saying in this thread. The guy didn't necessarily deserve to die, but it was a consequence he should of thought of before he made the choice to rob people. That's it exactly. Had he not been trying to rob the place, he probably would still be alive.
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Valued Member
United States
462 Posts |
I am going to have to go against the census here and say that there is NO SADNESS from me about a life being lost. To make a long story short, my Uncle was killed in a home invasion robbery. Two guys broke through his drywall ceiling, having accessed the attic through the garage. He had his handgun in hand, yelled at them to drop to the floor but instead, they both turned and opened fire on him. A shoot out lasted for a few seconds, with one BAD MAN hit and my uncle hit in the head. He was home from work that day, sick in bed, and confronted them WITHOUT HIS GLASSES ON. My aunt claims that if he had put his glasses on, there would be two dead BAD MEN and my uncle would still be alive. But it all happened too quickly.
Therefore, I rejoice every time a bad man is killed. I get so sick and tired of hearing people say "We are above that". Since when are we "above" justice, consequences and revenge? Every person must be responsible for their actions.
I better stop at this point, my blood pressure is starting to rise.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This is good news IMO. The robbers understood the risks of their actions and one of them paid the ultimate price. If this happened more often, honest citizens wouldn't have to worry about scumbag criminals nearly as much because there'd be less of them. The guy got what he deserved. I'd rather him be dead than the store owner. That would REALLY make for a tragedy.
I'm a gun owner and I firmly believe in your right to defend yourself against others. I guarantee, if they came into my house, TWO bodybags would be needed and not for me or my family.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I do not like to see any of this going on, however this is and will be an on going problem. I agree that the loss of a life is a strong sign of the actions of people, BUT, I do not feel for a moment that the entire story has been heard, for all we know the "perps" were entering the store and then shots were fired, also I might sound harsh but I feel the shop owner, just weeks ago was violated and that is a feeling that also stays with you. We do not know if the "perps" were armed, being one got away( maybe with the weapons), and we might not ever know, but we know that the owner could be dead now and the liberals would still not be content, that said, do you feel this person was with-in his rights to justify his actions, in my opinion, no doubt, and God bless him and other's for having the strength to stand up to would be thiefs who, for all we know, would kill and do what they felt needed to pull the job off. I would ask other's to consider the shop owner's family if he was shot, sure he will have this on his mind for his every living day, but he could of just did nothing and possibly payed the dearest price of all, death, May God bless him and all who defend them selves.......PS: I do not agree that nothing good came from this, I would hope this will serve as a reminder that people do and will defend them selves, for all we know this shop owner served his country and this was just a re-action to what he was taught to do .............
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2600 Posts |
Probably the best thing to come from things like this is intelligent discourse. Discussion forces those who would chose to ignore ugly things to form opinions and hopefully inspires a call to action. One action is very important, VOTE. If we the electorate don't make our elected officials understand why they are in office, they will fall in line with the herding effect within their party. I do not care what your political affiliation is, vote your mind. My wife's family amazes me. They are from western Pa., are typical hard working Dems who love to hunt and just shoot in general. Many of them are members in shooting clubs. Because of their labor orientation, though, they vote as they are told and are in the process of doing away with the things they love the most. How does this make sense let alone happen.
So, the best thing to come from this horrible situation is exactly what this thread accomplished, thought.
Jim
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Valued Member
United States
327 Posts |
When a person takes a gun in hand and undertakes to deprive others of life or property, they then open themselves to the possible consequences of that action. Those boys played a rough game, and they lost. No pity for the results.
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Valued Member
United States
117 Posts |
I'm not a gun owner, but bully for the store owner! One more piece of trash off the streets permanently, and one more for his prison sentence.
Joe
Edited by hrhomer 05/21/2009 9:51 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: So, the best thing to come from this horrible situation is exactly what this thread accomplished, thought. Well said. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
Agreed....alot of good discussion in this thread.
After thinking about this more, I get sick of the perp's families acting like they are the unfortunate victims in these situations. What disgusts me even more is that our courts allow them to file civil suits against the shooter who was merely protecting himself and his property.
I wish every state had a castle doctrine. My state, Wisconsin, seems to have a "duty to retreat" line of thinking but I believe there are some bills in the works to make it more acceptable to defend your life and property without the fear of legal action for doing so.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
615 Posts |
Texas as the right idea. They let that guy shot those guys as they were running. I bet people think twice about breaking into homes in Texas.
Punishment isn't just about justice...it is a warning to others. Not only was the shop owner protected, but many future people were protected. Part of our high crime rates is due to a lack of punishment of those that do the crime.
I am not really in favor of some of the harsher punishments of the world, but I bet people think a little more before doing stuff there.
I say everyone, but the shop owner and the bad guy is better off. We are all safer, and don't have to pay for his prison sentence. The hero has to live with taking a life though. Granted, it wasn't worth much (The bad guy did gamble it for a few coins), but I wouldn't want to live with it.
-SFWUSC
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Texas as the right idea. They let that guy shot those guys as they were running. Did I miss something?  -Steve in Texas
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Did I miss something?
-Steve in Texas
I think he was referring to the case where a Mr. Horn shot and killed two perps who had broken into his neighbors house, and presumably ran across his lawn during the escape. He was not charged or found not guilty due to the castle doctrine.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1882 Posts |
Ah...thanks. Forgot about that incident.
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Valued Member
United States
74 Posts |
no remorse here. a steel worker earns his living knowing the risk. So does a criminal. one is noble one is not. its not like this is tragic. what would be tragic is if an entrepreneur trying to make an honest living had been hurt or killed by this thief.
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