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In 34 years as a big city Policeman I couldn't begin to remember the burglary case reports I took. The burglary scenes I had to examine. The burglars I caught and successfully prosecuted, including some big time rings. For years I worked in a District that probably had among the highest numbers of residential burglary's in the nation. Sadly many of these had coin and bullion removed, much of which had been passed down thru family generations which just increased the pain of losing them.

The District had three things that made it attractive for residential burglary. That being wealth, residents who almost entirely worked 9 to 5 Mon thru Fri day jobs, and an awful lot of rental propertys. The two miles around Wrigley Field is a burglars dream.

When people ask me what a typical residential burlgar is like the answer is he is a repeat offender in his '20s or '30s, maybe '40s, that most likely has a drug habit or simply an aversion to working an honest job. He will walk alleys looking for easy scores carrying pry tools, most often looking for ways to break into flats from the rear doors and windows protected from views if possible. He is looking to steal small, high values items "like your coins and Jewelry, tho he will grab something bigger like a computer or TV. Most often he'll put the larger items in a garbage can down the alley to pick up later. Ive recovered much stolen stuff just by checking all the garbage cans in the alley.

So hardening the rear of your flat or house is a must because thats where he's coming in most of the time. Burglars are most likely specialists too. They will find a type they like and are comfortable with and stick to it for the most part. As well Ive never taken a report from a residence that had a good dog in it. I have a highly trained GSD myself. Knowing and looking out for your neighbors is important. Insurance is a must and alarms are good if you can afford them.

But if he really wants to get in he'll probably get in. Ive caught many burglars, and even worse Home invaders, after neighbors called in "sound of broken glass" and "people screaming" calls. Ive caught rapists that started out as burglarys tho this is unusual. Burglars are repeat offenders that steal to support drug habits. This is America and nobody goes hungry in America so this image of the poor guy stealing to feed his family is entirely a fabrication.

They really like stealing guns precious metals and collections, Jewelry, money....ect. Its best to keep a low profile with such items because it will likely by the son of a friend of a friend who is the junkie who served time who will break in on you.

The more barriers to ingress and access you can place the better. Security doors, bars on rear windows, safes, alarms, dogs....ect the better. Dont get in the mind set that it can't happen to you because it can, and it will. Its a very common crime with a whole lot of repeat offenders and its really under prosecuted. Especially here.

Well I hope I helped. They have made these criminals difficult to successfully prosecute. You have to be able to place them in the residence after coming in thru force or unlawfully and they have to take something with intent to deprive the owner. You need both victims and witnesses to show up to court to testify, often numerous times. But the worst part, at least here with the system so over loaded, is they are released on bonds prior to trial. Most often "I-bonds" which require no money and if bonded out they go right back to burglary again.
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Good info! I walked in on a home burglary-in-progress many years ago--not fun.
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I walked in on a home burglary-in-progress many years ago--not fun.
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Interesting read, I'm glad I don't live in an area like that.
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Good info! I walked in on a home burglary-in-progress many years ago--not fun.


Ive walked in on liquor store robberys, burglarys in progress, home invasions that started with burglarys. One such was a couple working on their apartment and two armed offenders broke in not knowing they were there. They forced them both to the ground at gunpoint "not good" and the woman screamed when they made her start undressing and luckily a neighbor heard it and we got there in time. Both offenders ran down and prosecuted successfully. I have a thousand such story's.

A burglary when your NOT home is bad enough but a break in when you are home can be another totally different story. A far worse one.

At least back then we had the tools to combat it. In todays world the Police have far less leeway then we did. I'd prowl alleys all day long looking for obvious potential offenders, young and middle aged mostly white males, dirty clothes and hygiene, obvious/apparent signs of drug usage like track marks....ect. They were carrying pry tools and didn't live there so huh are they doing prowling thru alleys with pry tools ?

Name check them and if they aren't Lying they'd bounce back with all kinds of priors for burglary, theft, criminal trespass, robbery...ect Most had been in the joint, some multiple times. Back then we had a charge called "possession of burglary tools" or "Poss/stolen property" we'd hit them with just to harass them and get them off the street and hopefully into someone else's District. . But the Lawyers and the Libs hung cameras on us and took that charge away as well.

And I'd stop these creeps all day long they were so thick in that District. I'd check crime patterns and we'd be taking in 5 to 10 case reports a day for burglary, or more. You got to know the offenders just by their crime patterns. Some would go in on the prowl into businesses that were closed. Some only did garages. Some only apartments using a specific method. Many, MANY! went specifically for small high value items only. Coin collections, jewelry, bullion, IPhones, cash, handguns, anything they can walk away with and sell quickly.

Sell to get high on. I can't stress that enough. They dont steal your coin collection to eat ; They steal it in order to sell it and get high. I never once caught a thief "and I caught thousands" that were stealing to feed their family Some drug dealers will take the stuff in trade for heroin but generally theres a fence instead. We had a few pawn shops that asked few questions but I could never quite get enough evidence on them they knowingly traded in stolen goods from burglary. One dealt with a lot of coins too.

On occasion , if we were lucky, we'd lift a print that matched an offender. This would normally at least allow us to charge the guy but prosecution would be sketchy. If we were even luckier the Detectives would get the guy to confess to at least unlawful trespass which basically means being on private property with the intent to commit a theft or other crime.

We could roll that up with past convictions and maybe get a Felony charge approved.

Guys like you "collectors" make the best victims because you record and store stuff like VAMs or blemishes/details of specific coins or bullion we can use if were able to collect the proceeds in some way. The uniformed officer who respond first makes the initial case report and he probably wont ask for these specifics but the Detectives assigned after will want to know such minute details and will record them on separate reports they make as the investigation continues. We dont just write a report and then forget about the crime.

A property crimes Detective will probably know what a VAM or error/blemish on a coin is. If not then tell him. The smallest details are important. We often recover property years later and are able to locate the victims and return it to them. Coin and jewelry details, gun serial numbers, property and serial numbers for as much as you can record should be kept safe in case of a burglary. The Police want as much info as we can get.

Unfortunately the Police today can't use the tricks and tools I used to keep these criminals on the run. But they do what they can. Help them by reinforcing your home, safe keeping your coinage, keep exact records safely away from the property, and call your insurance agent to get added insurance on your coins and property.

But most of all we want you calling 911 when you see suspicious persons prowling around your neighborhood. If they look like they don't belong there then the Police want to hear about it.
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Thanks for your comments from law enforcement prespective. In 2012 the University of North Carolina did a study, interviewed over 400 prison inmates convcited of burglary. They tended to avoid houses with dogs, neighbors outside and houses with security cams. No home is 100% safe but it's wise to have a few security cams, keep valuables in safe or bank box, don't show off your valuables or tell people you have them at home. If legal where you live, you understand the laws, if your life is threatened, pepper spray or firearm are good for home defense in my opinion.

I took photos of all my coins and documented where I bought them, how much I paid. For collectible coins if stolen the coin photos could help ID them if they ended up in a pawn shop, on Facebook, ebay, etc.

Last week a local coin/pawn store was raided by police, owners were charged for no record of transactions, selling thousands of dollars worth stolen property.
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Last week a local coin/pawn store was raided by police, owners were charged for no record of transactions, selling thousands of dollars worth stolen property.
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Oh yeah I forgot about security cameras. Its important to I.D. easy out of sight points points of ingress/egress and harden those. With security cameras most of all.

Security footage on You Tube can yield a lot. If theres a reward most of all I imagine. But the police will most likely recognize them. *** Political commentary removed by the Staff. We do not discuss politics here, we discuss numismatics and related topics. ***
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Thanks for your comments from the law enforcement perspective. In 2012 the University of North Carolina did a study, interviewing over 400 prison inmates convicted of burglary. They tended to avoid houses with dogs, neighbors outside, and houses with security cams. No home is 100% safe but it's wise to have a few security cams, keep valuables in a safe or bank box,and don't show off your valuables or tell people you have them at home. If legal where you live, you understand the laws, if your life is threatened, pepper spray or a firearm are good for home defense, in my opinion.


They also look for window AC units in bedrooms on the second floor.
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Some states have "stand your ground" laws which mean you are not required to allow your property to be invaded and your valuables taken. Others have only "prevent loss of life or great bodily harm" laws. I know this sounds obvious and its not political but legal and can land you in a lot of trouble if you shoot without being able to say you are in fear of death or great bodily harm from an offender.

In IL. shooting just because someone broke into your house is not legal, either criminally or civilly, and can get you charged or sued or both. You have to be able to say you were in fear of death or great bodily harm. Other states, like in Texas, there is no such standard. Someone breaks in and you can shoot him. ANY use of a firearm is considered intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm.

The last thing you want to say is you shot him to protect your coin collection because property can be replaced, life can't be. Like it or not even a burglar has rights. As for myself, and Ive done it many times, I'd just take him into custody if possible.

Taking photos of your collection and scanning/making copies of receipts is very wise advice. Thank you Living. Storing them separate from your collection would also be wise. I make copies and store photos on a flash drive I keep hidden. In fact today I have to update my insurance policy with new coins. Sadly bullion bars aren't covered but 80% of my collection is.

Luckily in my house someone is almost always home and if nobody is I have a 85lb GSD and he's not welcoming to strangers. Owning a working dog is like having a part time job so if you own such a dog, for him to be effective, he will need exercising and training.

We work hard in honest jobs to pay for our collections so we must do everything we can to protect them and our wealth but even more importantly protect ourselves and our loved ones. This is "Blitz", a GSD out of East German Police lineage. Should we ever get a visitor, like a plumber, when the guy leaves and we let Blitz out the first thing he does is check ever single room in the house to make sure they are secure. He's caught strangers on the property before and what he does is arrests them. He's terrifying and he wont attack unless attacked, or we are, but he wont let you move until I come out asnd release him.

Nothing is better to protect your coinage then a good dog but it is a lot of work. Luckily I'm a trainer but I'm getting so old he might be my last.

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Silverskunk, great post!

I know the laws around firearms have become ridiculous for home defense, but what's the rules around pepper spray, bear mace, and tasers?

Another option that should be discussed on this thread is how to conceal or secure small valuables like coins so that they cannot be easily removed. Did you ever notice a successful pattern involving safes, locks, or other strategies?
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Silverskunk, great post!

I know the laws around firearms have become ridiculous for home defense, but what's the rules around pepper spray, bear mace, and tasers?

Another option that should be discussed on this thread is how to conceal or secure small valuables like coins so that they cannot be easily removed. Did you ever notice a successful pattern involving safes, locks, or other strategies?


I had wondered if such a thread was appropriate for this forum but over the years Ive had to record so much coinage, coin sets, bullion, stolen in burglarys and robberys I figured maybe adding my experience was warranted.

Regarding use of force for home and personal protection theres just no hard and fast rules. It will be different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But generally the Law is linked to "reasonableness" . in other words was the use of force and the amount of force such that a "reasonable" person would find appropriate for that situation.

For instance a 100 lb female that shoots an unarmed intruder to her home would be judged differently then some guerilla of an ex-cop like me who is also a former competitive shooter. Now if that intruder had a deadly weapon and came at me I'd be justified to shoot him.

Deadly force is justified to prevent death or great bodily harm to you or others. As an opinion I'd never be without a firearm for home defense. The exception being children in the house.

Pepper spray, bear spray ? These are not considered deadly for but you still have to be able to justify using them. The standard with them is "fear of receiving a battery on yourself or to prevent an unlawful battery on someone else".

But be warned. Ive used our strongest pepper mace on violent offenders and had some wipe their face, taste it, and then laugh at me as they came in swinging. Other times its worked fine but never instantly. Also you have to worry about blow back with that stuff. Ive maced violent offenders and had the stream bounce back into my face leaving me even more maced then them.

Tasers the same. Less then lethal and a lower standard in using them. But Ive seen them fail plenty of times too. The new ones most of all so whatever you use you had better have a Plan B. I'm an ex Boxer so thats my plan B and I'd recommend for anyone to take some form of martial arts class even if for confidence alone.

So protect yourselves, your homes, and your collections. Coins, coin sets, stamp collections, jewelry, bullion, cash , all hidden away ? They go right for this stuff. Ive worked patterns on offenders who would break in and only steal this stuff, the smaller and more valuable the better.

Hope I helped. Chicago has a lot of burglary and a lot of violence but burglary can happen anywhere. Most of all in working class neighborhoods.

Be safe and take care.
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@Silverskunk

Very informative thread!

Can you give us any insights on what happens to collections after they are taken? Do the perpetrators usually take them to nearby pawn shops/cash for gold/jewelry buyers? Do they often have fences that have connections in the more mainstream coin community? Would identifiable numismatic items get melted to make them harder to prove they were stolen?
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Thank you SS for so many great insights.

I personally witnessed a couple of drug addicts bring two big duffle bags into the LCS to sell. The guy doing the buying asked very few questions. Red flags were everywhere including the dealer telling them certain coins had silver and were worth more. One guy was fidgety while the other guy was just clueless as can be. About a week after the sale, both guys were pictured in the local news for stealing a large coin collection from a very nice area of town. How they knew that there were so many coins for the taking can be speculated about all day long, but clearly the homeowner didn't take enough steps to protect his collection. You can really never be too careful these days.
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