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Concerning The 1960 British Exhibition Crown

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 Posted 06/02/2025  05:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joe_77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good morning forum!

Calling upon the experts to gather some info on the coin in subject.

Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown

As far as I could gather, there are four versions of this coin excluding errors:
a MS version in CuNi (and corresponding PL version)
a regular proof in CuNi
a VIP "frosted" proof in CuNi (is this plated? see the Example 1 below)
a silver proof

From an image found online:

Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown

Now, has anyone ever seen a silver proof? I could not find one online. It should be easy to identify if it's marked .925 on the ring. I could find only a couple of mention of silvers on HA but they seem to refer to the VIP frosted version?

Example one: https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-brit...ption-071515 (cit. patinated in silver)

Example two: https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-brit...tion-071515# (cit. metal AE ? Maybe a mistake and it meant to say AG?)

So all in all I am confused as to whether "frosted VIP" are silver plated or not or whether the silver version mentioned in the book is actually only plated (one would not assume so since it's supposed to be marked .925). And what about the mintages? I read 30-50 for the VIP frosted (e.g. https://www.durhamcoins.co.uk/produ...meo-top-pop). If so the silver one is probably less?

Thank you in advance for any info you can add to this discussion!
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Nice looking coin.

I look forward to learning along with you.
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Most British catalogs just list the normal cu-ni version and a polished die cu-ni version that was available at the exhibition itself. Any frosted proofs or silver versions, if they exist, would have been struck in tiny quantities and not been made available to the public. I've read in a British coin magazine that many of the polished die crowns shipped to the USA didn't sell and were sent back to the UK, taken out of their cases and made available from banks at face value, therefore many of them got scratched and marked. I suppose it's possible that third parties got hold of some and silver plated them unofficially as souvenirs. The standard 1960 crown was selling for £3 or £4 in BU around 1970 but nowadays you can pick them up for face value if you shop around - I have rescued three from dealers' 25p junk trays in the last couple of years.
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...It should be easy to identify if it's marked .925 on the ring...

I've never heard of any British coin bearing any kind of fineness markings on the edge, nor have I ever heard the British Mint describe the edge of a coin as the "ring". Therefore that would not be my interpretation of what the catalogue means by "examine ring, low note .925 silver". I would have assumed they mean spin the coin on a hard surface and listen to the sound it makes; a silver coin will make a lower-pitched sound (or "note") compared to base-metal.

Yes, the catalogue would therefore be saying the only way to tell silver proof and CuNi proof apart is by the ping test.
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Thanks NumisRob for the insights!


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.. "examine ring, low note .925 silver". I would have assumed they mean listen to the sound it makes


Doh!! You are probably right Sap! By ring I was thinking of the rim which in this case is quite ornate so I was imagining a .925 stamped on the low part of the rim..
I would have never interpreted in that way but it makes total sense. Thanks for pointing this out!

If the only way of telling a full silver is the ping test as this book is saying, while their existence might be true, it makes it very hard for us to follow through.
All good specimens are in slabs so no way to ping-test them anymore. It be nice to find any reference online about these versions.
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I'm conversing with The Royal Mint on this matter and so far I discover these wonderful Annual Mint Reports at https://library.royalmintmuseum.org...nual-reports

The relevant extracts are the following:

Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown
Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown
Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown
Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown
Concerning-The-1960-British-Exhibition-Crown

Namely: no mention of polished dies VIP versions and a statement saying that in 1960 the only silver pieces struck were maundies.
By the way, the medallions mentioned in the report are these: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ex...a167947.html

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The relevant extracts are the following:
Excellent!
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The discussion is continuing here for those who are interested: https://www.predecimal.com/forum/to...ition-crown/
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