Need Guidance As To The Approximate Grade Of My 1909-S VDB

sorry to say but the MM position does not match any of the 4 known obv dies. the 'S' is way to low compared to the bottom of the 9's. even though the MM does not appear to be added some fakes are pretty darn good. I'm 90% its counterfeit on top of that the color is not right

thanks Zurie, your photo of the side by side does lean to obv die #4. i'll adjust my brain cells today to reflect that.

Gosh.. I hope it comes back as genuine. I'll share in your excitement. Let us know.

And I'll stand by my original opinion that it's genuine. As I said, I did an overlay of the date and mintmark, and it's an exact match with mintmark position #4. Obviously, there are other problems with this coin, and the seller being shady certainly doesn't help.

Boy, after reading all the comments I feel very concerned about my coin.
I have submitted it to PCGS and expect input from them next week. (6/22 - 6/26)
Fear not I will tune you all in to the results.
The ebay seller seemed well rated but time will tell.
xvw

My communications with the ebay seller for my
1909-S VDB
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FYI - this penny was sent to PCGS & just came back ...
"UNC. AU Questionable color".
Just to give you some feedback an individual that knows you and the coin in question told me I got ripped off so don't expect PCGS to grade the coin without "Details".
It came back and he was right!
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Sounds good Bob, it's a very pleasant coin. It'll be shipped either today or tomorrow at the latest . - Josh
xvw:

Based on your input and ebay rating I'll make the purchase.
I do appreciate your time and patience.
Bob A.
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Hey Bob, the wheat lines are definitely fully distinct. This is a fully struck coin which is why I believe its a genuine RB+ piece. The reverse is much more beaming and pleasant to look at in hand than in pictures. Nope, no major nicks or scratches which is really nice for this piece. - Josh
xvw:

Are the wheat lines distinct? Are there any signs of surface contamination/major nicks/scratches, etc. ?
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Hey Bob, do you have any specific questions on the reverse? It's a pretty blazing and nice looking reverse, my helper with pictures is out for the month, so on its own I dont think I can get better pictures than what's already listed. - Josh
xvw:

Yes I have watched the video. It is difficult to study the detail of the coin while it is moving. The still picture of the reverse is not clear so I'm left wondering the condition. Were it not for the fact that I'm considering dropping $19XX for the coin I would take a chance.
A clear picture of the reverse will enable me to make the purchase or not.
Thanks for your consideration. I await your response.
Bob A.
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Hey there! There is a video within the listing that shows the reverse, let me know if you have any questions on it - Josh
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Do you have a better photo of this coins Reverse. I'm tempted to buy it but I would like to see a clearer photo.
Thank you!

1909-S VDB Lincoln Wheat cent, Beautifully Toned, RB/RD, Key Date, PQ
1909-S VDB Lincoln Wheat cent, Bea
Order status: Paid
Estimated delivery: Fri. 6. Jun. - Thu. 12. Jun.
Tracking number: 9402108105463744280994
Order number: 11-13151-35857

well congrats on the UNC. not so congrats on the color. the only thing I can thing of as to why I thought the MM was slanted right was that the camera angle may have not been straight on. even looking at Zuries side-by-photos it appears to be a little slanted. one reason I suggest when taking photos to set the coin on a flat surface. place something like books on either side of it that the camera or phone can be laid across set a timer and let it take the shot .