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Need Guidance As To The Approximate Grade Of My 1909-S VDB

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 Posted 06/21/2025  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xvw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you gentlemen.
I do not have the slab in hand. It is being mailed back to my coin shop.
When it gets into my hands I will post the cert#.
I would love to get your take on what it would grade out to be at that time.
Another point.. "Questionable color" does not mean artificially colored. In hand it is very attractive especially if you appreciate toning.
I requested "conserving" but not sure if it was done or not.
Anxious to get it back!
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 Posted 06/21/2025  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, having it authenticated and graded Unc details is as good as could be expected. PCGS uses "questionable color" to indicate toning on a coin that they don't believe is natural (i.e. most likely artificially toned). It's unlikely they would have attempted conservation because it will always be a details coin.

I think the lesson here is unless you are confident in your ability to judge authenticity, grade, and whether toning is natural on an expensive raw coin that is frequently counterfeited, using sub-par photos online, it might be best to get a straight-graded slabbed coin instead. For what you paid, you probably could have gotten a low MS PCGS-graded coin and not had the angst of not knowing if your coin was genuine. But if you find the toning attractive, enjoy the coin with the knowledge that it's been authenticated and is uncirculated.
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 Posted 06/29/2025  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeturbo26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm so happy for you that it at very least came back as genuine! Here are photos of my communication back in April with the seller, should you need any proof if you decide to file a claim.
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 Posted 06/29/2025  09:11 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@joeturbo, I guess I'm not seeing from this interaction with the seller why you thought that he was so shady that the coin had to be fake.
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 Posted 07/02/2025  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xvw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well people I picked up the slab from my coin dealer today.
Submitted 6/10 received 7/2. Cost $210.
I don't believe PCGS took any photos because it did not receive a grade. If I'm wrong let me know.
I took some pictures and hope it gives some of you a better idea of the grade.
I would like your input +/- as to what you feel is a realistic grade for my limited knowledge & insurance purposes.
Thanks,
XVW
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 Posted 07/02/2025  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xvw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't seem to add additional images but if the previous pics posted help to assess a grade estimate I would be grateful.
The PCGS # is 2426.91/52696100
PCGS Genuine
Questionable Color-UNC Detail
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 Posted 07/02/2025  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The PCGS # is 2426.91/52696100
PCGS Genuine

Side note: PCGS is also known to hand out "Genuine" on Fake coins...
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 Posted 07/02/2025  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For posterity


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I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins.
Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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 Posted 07/02/2025  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The TrueView photos look a lot nicer than the original photos. It did receive a grade: Unc details. A numerical mint state grade isn't relevant, since the value would generally be less than the lowest straight-graded mint state grade. That being said, it looks like a pretty attractive coin.
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 Posted 07/02/2025  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeturbo26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really is a pretty coin with what would be killer toning if it were original .. ughhh!
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 Posted 07/02/2025  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not going to resurrect the the whole conversation on toning. But that, IMHO, is market acceptable and should sell at a premium compared to other questionable color versions. It does make me question why someone felt the need to lay on colors - how bad did it look before?
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins.
Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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 Posted 07/03/2025  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xvw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FOUND!
My coin dealer came through.

Link https://www.pcgs.com/cert/52696100
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 Posted 07/03/2025  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xvw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember people the color is "Questionable" not natural or artificial!
I liked it enough to invest in it.

I would still like a grade estimate if anyone dares to commit.
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 Posted 07/03/2025  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems like them calling it questionable shows ignorance, fear of commitment, or both.

The market will set the price appropriately regardless of the label.
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