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CoinHi, the letters on the second cent are contact marks. What convinced me that the first cent was something else were the faint traces of TRU, rather than the more obvious ST. Just another example that affirms the longstanding principle that just because two things look the same, it doesn't necessarily mean they are the same.
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07/09/2025 5:53 pm
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Thank you for the update mikediamond! Very nice Petespockets55!!  gigi2110
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Wow. Thanks for the update Mike. It will be interesting to see the article.
I had so many mixed thoughts as I came across these two coins in the roll. I'm glad that I decided to get some other insights.
Thanks to everyone for your comments and insights.
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07/09/2025 10:16 pm
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I'm now thinking that the die responsible for this suspected mule clash had been subjected to intentional die abrasion. This is a common cause of thinned letters and a more likely source for clash marks. Letters within a Ridge Ring will be recessed on the die face and therefore less likely to generate clash marks. I've also considered an exogenous floating die clash from a die fragment derived from a different die pair (I know of one example). However, the string of letters on this 1983 cent lack a border, which, admittedly, is not a requirement. However, the manner in which a complete string of letters ("TRUST") closely follows the curve of the field is unlikely in the case of a randomly positioned die fragment. I'm thinking that the die contact occurred when a worn, abraded die was removed and replaced by a fresh die. The contact would have occurred during removal of the old die or installation of the fresh die. Contact may have been accidental or intentional. Error coin writer and researcher.
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A couple things that come to mind that may be helpful.
1. Since we know this came from a OBW, could we try to match the dies of this coin to others in the roll in an attempt to rule out possibilities like a die changing incident? Maybe not rule out but would significantly lower the chances. This could bring an exogenous clash more into play.
2. Could the fragment have been connected/molded to the rim and fit back in recess allowing for the perfect curve and placement?
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A very interesting coin and discussion.
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While completing my analysis, I've circled back to my original assessment that these incuse letters are probably contact marks, albeit very unusual and puzzling ones. I should have my analysis ready for publication by early next week.
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Thank you, Mike, I'm looking forward to reading your official judgment on this coin... Initially, I was unsure if the characters were stamped [Inverted] into the coin after the die originally hit this coin, PMD. I was unsure from the OP pictures.. |
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While completing my analysis, I've circled back to my original assessment that these incuse letters are probably contact marks, albeit very unusual and puzzling ones. I should have my analysis ready for publication by early next week.  |
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Thanks again Mike.
I look forward to your thoughts and analysis.
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Error coin writer and researcher.
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Mike, Thank you very much for looking at this 1983 P Lincoln Cent in hand and sharing a link to the article. It is very detailed, and I feel I was able to follow along with your analysis on all the different considerations. As difficult as this one was turning out to be, I did wonder if Occam's Razor would be a consideration. I have to admit that was leaning towards "exogenous floating die clash" where the die fragment from another die happened to land parallel to and against the collar die. But I don't see the normal width letters of the secondary TRUST or the sudden termination of the fragment as you pointed out. Well done and thank you again for putting so much time into this mystery. The hobby is lucky to have someone of your caliber, intelligence, and with the available time to help answer our questions. Cliff Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Good read Mike! It's nice you are able to link to these articles now.
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Here's my analysis. My editor at Coin Week made some minor changes, but nothing that would disrupt the narrative. Thank you for sharing. |
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