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1825 Half- G6?

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 Posted 06/11/2009  09:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KyKev to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My first coin purchase. Wondering whether it is a G4 or G6. Also, the Red Book lists no varieties for this year. Are there none, or just no rare ones?

I'm not sure what the orange spots in the pics are from. They are not on the coin. The two specks of toning on her brow and the scuffs on her chin are there though. Thanks a bunch for any assistance.

Kevin

1825-Half--G6?

1825-Half--G6?
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 Posted 06/11/2009  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Overton lists 17 varieties for this date. O-104 is supposed to be a very scarce variety.
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 Posted 06/11/2009  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd go with G-6.

The reverse is only G-4, but the obverse is a bit stronger and has a more detail than the minimum for G-4.

The Red Book does not list all varieties, but a guy named Overton spent a lot of time researching all the dies used for Bust Halves and so Bust Half varieties are often referenced with "Overton numbers." Maybe one of our forum Bust Half experts can tell us which one this is (which may not be easy on a lower grade coin).

Here is a link to another forum with a listing of Overton varieties for 1825:

http://coinzip.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=1825b

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 Posted 06/11/2009  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also say G-6.
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 Posted 06/11/2009  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O-112, I think. R.3, not the rarest, not the most common. As Jaobler said, it's tough to attribute Busties in this condition - among the pickup points are the relationships between the stars and the denticles, and many varieties are characterized by certain details in the shield. Both are worn away on this coin, making it a more enjoyable process for someone as obsessive as I.

Luck is with us, though. The relationship between the T in UNITED and the I in PLURIBUS (a key characteristic listed for almost every single Overton variety) is pretty much unique on this coin. The I is about the farthest right of any 1825 variety, making the attribution much easier.

I really like these coins in Good condition.

I agree with Bilbo's opinion of condition, but that results in a grade of G4 per the usual grading standard - the worst side tells.
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 Posted 06/11/2009  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyKev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great info and the marvelous link. Looks like I have an O-105 R2. Here's a crop of UNITED.

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 Posted 06/11/2009  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyKev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Dave, I didn't see your response before posting. We must have simulcast. I'll check that one out. Thanks!
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 Posted 06/11/2009  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know what, KyKev, I think I like your attribution better than mine. The joining of ITED was less obvious in your original pics, and the TI relationship (which is where I start my attributions) less obvious in my Overton book.

The final step in my usual attribution process is to check out high-resolution shots of the variety in Heritage Auctions results, and these pretty much confirm that you're right and I'm wrong.

O-105, it is.
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 Posted 06/11/2009  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A gorgous coin KyKen , it was my first serious purchase as well , an 1831,The thread and photos are on page 2 here.
Since then I've accumulated lots of halfs but need to get my bust head on again , thats a real beauty you got there
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 Posted 06/11/2009  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyKev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks alot for your help Dave. I intended to post the crop in the first batch, but got sidetracked.

Thanks for the comments W. Number two is en route from ebay- 1836, and much better shape.
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I like the crazy looking 2 on yours KyKen , may I ask , how do you intend storing yours ? I have a Dansco with a page for halfs but a bust half wont fit as you know.
Airtites are expensive for it being the odd size , plastic flips are..well..
Im definately going after another one , love that whacky 2 , is there a dansco page for bust halfs I wonder , I dont want a full album just for a handful at best if even that many , thanks
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