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Okay, so the US Cent is done. Decades overdue, IMO. The Nickel is in the bull's eye, and for the same reasons. Logical next steps would be the discontinuation of the $1 note, along with the introduction of a $2 coin to complement our existing $1 coins.
But, even if these rational changes are made, following the lead of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and others...even while the vast majority of people are today largely cashless, how long will it be before the minting of ANY coins (other than NIFCs) becomes a waste of money, as the vast majority of us go with electronic transfer of funds and plastic?
I'm not talking about next year, but a decade or two down the road. But, when the production of coins is actually a waste of funds across the board, because people simply aren't using them anymore. It's not a question of if, but a question of when.
At that point, will coin collecting become more or less of a common hobby? I say more. But, what say you? Edited by Vector Ze 03/11/2026 5:02 pm
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jbuck, I swear I've spent a lot more time here reading, than I have spent posting. Maybe I should spend a ton more reading before postulating, huh?
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I was just giving you something to read while waiting for replies.  This topic was due for a refresh, seeing as how it has been six years and whole pandemic since it was last discussed. 
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Copy that, jbuck I'm interested in others' thoughts.
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As far as the one dollar and two dollar coins over paper money I doubt it. Unless there is silver in them. Which I would bet against. As far as the future if it happens the way you describe I think fewer collectors fewer coin dealers and more expensive coins.
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Quote: As far as the one dollar and two dollar coins over paper money I doubt it. Unless there is silver in them they stop printing ones and twos. There, I fixed it for you.  Do that then you have no choice but to use the coins. 
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The dollar coins, which have been in continuous production for a quarter century, will not be accepted while the $1 bill is printed. Sad, but true. But, a dollar today has the purchasing power of a Quarter Dollar in 1980. Coins can last generations, lower denomination notes last years at best. Economically, the coins make more sense. The common argument against them is that, 'nobody wants a pocket full of coins', right? But, how many Dollar Bills do you typically carry? My guess is you probably carry as many, or more, Quarter Dollars.
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I am glad you get it! Most people do not. They do not like change. Both kinds.
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I'm an old man, jbuck. But things change. I haven't written a paper check since the 1990s.
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$1 coins are a fool's errand. People have had access to them for years, and the public has spoken loudly by its choice to use only bills. Coins are clunky and inconvenient, and I say that as someone who has traveled to Europe several times post-Euro rollout. If we were forced to coins, my wallet would be $5 bills and up. The dollar coins would go to my car cup holder to a change jar to be wrapped and deposited at the bank.
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I think it's now too late to do the "get rid of $1 and $2 notes and introduce $1 and $2 coins" thing. The cashless movement is continually growing, meaning less need for physical cash, in any form. Your paper money might turn into pieces of polymer (plastic) as is happening in most advanced countries where colour photocopying and printing has made counterfeiting a piece of paper relatively easy, but I think the introduction of new circulating coins is now unlikely. Coins are simply too inconvenient, specially for a population that's been conditioned into thinking that coins are a worthless heavy nuisance that you toss into a jar at home when you're given them in change, rather than actually using them for money.
I don't think cashlessness will be some kind of top-down demand from government that abolishes physical cash. I think cash will go out with a whimper, not a bang - it's normal, regular people that are choosing to go cashless, simply because cash is less convenient than paying by card. As demand for physical cash falls, they'll simply make less and less of it each year, until one year the NCLT mintages will exceed the circulation mintages - by which point the government will have certainly downsized the mint to perhaps just one facility. At some point around there, the government may decide it's cheaper to outsource coin production to a foreign mint rather than pay to maintain a mint that's barely used.
As for the "will coin collecting become more or less of a common hobby" question, the logical answer is "less". Fewer people exposed to coins in everyday life will inevitably mean fewer new collectors becoming interested in coins.
Just look at stamp collecting. Postage stamps are becoming a rarer and rarer thing, as more and more of our correspondence goes digital and the few remaining envelopes and parcels that arrive in our physical snail-mail boxes usually don't have stamps on them. The net result has been the collapse of stamp collecting, as the next generation of stamp collectors simply isn't there: with young people not seeing stamps in their everyday life, it simply never occurs to them that collecting stamps is a hobby they can do.
Phonecards are another numismatic-like collectable that has gone through a bust: "everybody" has got a mobile phone these days, so "nobody" uses pay phones any more. With phonecards now functionally extinct (payphones have all switched to using credit card directly so you don't need a separate phone card), phonecard collecting is also now functionally extinct, and prices for phonecards have collapsed as old phonecard collections have gotten dumped onto the market but there's nobody left who wants to buy them.
Now, coins (and coin collecting) are a much older part of civilization, and have that "attachment to history" aspect that will always attract the tiny minority of the population that's interested in history. Coins are always going to be a relatively cheap, historical artifact that represents a bygone civilization: if you, right now, want to physically own a piece of ancient Rome, an actual genuine ancient Roman artifact, then buying a Roman coin is pretty much the cheapest and easiest way to do that. The same will probably still be true in a thousand years time if people in the future wanted to buy a genuine piece of the ancient United States. So I don't think coin collecting will collapse quite as badly as phonecard collecting, or even stamp collecting, but it certainly will shrink compared to it's current level.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Interesting and thoughtful perspective, Sap.
But, you know, futurism is a risky occupation. :-)
Coins aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Edited by Vector Ze 03/11/2026 6:53 pm
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Quote: I haven't written a paper check since the 1990s. Early 2000s for me. I think I wrote my last one when we moved to the new house almost 24 years ago. I still have my checkbook. The address is my old house and the credit union has changed names and/or merged three times since. 
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CAUTION: A commentary on the move to a cashless society follows:
It's sad to me to think that we now work not for a paycheck, but for a bunch of ones and zeroes. Even though it gets a little more difficult as time goes by, I like to convert those electrons to hard cash and use that when I can - just to buck the system. We know that most people would rather do everything electronically because of "convenience." Sit on your couch, order your groceries and have someone or something else drop them off at your front door. If you haven't seen it - watch the Disney movie "Wall-E." I don't like Big Brother knowing EVERYTHING I do, and I despise the thought that I can be forced to pay something by remote control without an argument. That is a result of generations of southeastern NC deeply engrained in my psyche.
Food for thought: why didn't George Jetson work remotely? All he had to do was push a button all day and guard against finger strain. George carried a wallet full of paper money that Jane would pilfer on her way to the shopping mall.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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