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Moderator
 United States
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Other than some rim dings, I would grade this coin at MS-60.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Rim dings, contact marks on the left hand wing of the eagle, the 5 and Hindenburg's face. I'd call it Vorzüglich (EF). Nice coin and great pictures!
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Dear Snowman,
You give this an EF grade? I'm kind of puzzled. Perhaps I'm blind but where do you see the wear? Is it the left wing of the eagle? I say that's the result of a weak strike PERHAPS given how there is no wear anywhere else that I can come across. That would be an odd place to only show wear since it is not the highest point of the coin. Something to consider, don't you think?
Regards,
Kiwi_Bird
Edited by Kiwi_Bird
10/03/2009 5:33 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm gonna say between 50 and 58. Beautiful coin, by the way. I didn't realize they were making silver money in Germany in 1939.
There's a fascinating book on the Nazi economy titled "Wages of Destruction". Reading it altered my understanding of WW2 and the interaction between economics and war. Some of that would also have to do with the money supply so it's of interest to numismatics types.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You give this an EF grade? I'm kind of puzzled. Perhaps I'm blind but where do you see the wear? Is it the left wing of the eagle? I say that's the result of a weak strike PERHAPS given how there is no wear anywhere else that I can come across. That would be an odd place to only show wear since it is not the highest point of the coin. Something to consider, don't you think? No offense intended. I realize that I sometimes grade more conservatively than others. I just feel that the reverse of this coin has too many detracting marks to grade better than EF. First there are rim dings, most noticeably near the date. Second, the first picture shows significant contact marks on the devices from 9-12 o'clock. Whenever I consider purchasing a German coin, I look for comparisons from MA-Shops (a German sellers group). I figure that they probably know best how to grade these coins. Here are some coins for comparison: http://www.muenzauktion.com/shops/s...tSuCat=12265Given the coins listed, I feel that a grade of EF is not unwarranted. |
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Canada
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EF, way too many nicks and bangs
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Hits, nicks and bangs do not make a coin XF grade unless to the point where it distorts the design detail.
Edited by Kiwi_Bird
10/15/2009 8:31 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm curious Kiwi Bird, what would you grade this coin?
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Whether you guys want to take me seriously or not, I'm betting this coin grades AU-55. I did a lot of comparing. Generally, coins in AU-50 or AU-53 are often very dull and lifeless with EXCESSIVE problems such as bad dull white color, blotches, loads of scratches everywhere, unattractive or uneven tarnishing, more obvious (noticeable) wear on the higher points of the coin where you don't have to strain your eyes. This coin basically is not that. AU-55 it is. Granted this coin is not an AU-58. Often AU-58 coins have more eye appeal than MS-60s due to their lack of ugly features commonly found with MS-60 - MS-62. This is a decent coin but not a total beauty either.
I would consider to take the coin in for grading but it's hardly worth it since they sell generally for about $20.
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10/17/2009 12:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm betting this coin grades AU-55 Strange, here is how you have the coin listed on Overstock: Quote:
Hindenburg 5 Reichsmark from 1939, Mintmark "A". Coin looks BU. Has natural yellow toning at the rim. This coin has gothic script incused into the rin of the coin. You're bidding for a 90% silver coin from the Nazi era. |
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Yes it L@@KS BU even if it is not. Coins to me are more about @y@ appeal!
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Previously Ousted
Canada
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Hello Kiwi,
it is the old story....
The grade of a coin which is for sale is usually determined by 2 parties;
1 the seller grades it BU ( because if he / she would have it graded, it would NEVER make that grade)
2 the buyer plays it save and grades it MAYBE AU, because he is interested in his pocket change.
Fact is, without having coin in hand, you coin will NOT make AU.
i have had many of the Hindenburg coins and a lot of them are high AU...and many MS... but then they do look different.
I could mark at least 10 problems on the obv which are not bag marks or hairlines, plus some rim problems. on the reverse...at least 7 marks, and neither is a bag mark, [plus some very serious rim damage.
still maintain your BU or 55 grade?
as a fact, after I had a closer look, I will only go XF40 with scratches and rim damage noted.
sorry man, no hard feelings here, just subjective OPINIONS.
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United States
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Granted, there are a few rim dings on this coin, but judging by the photos I see little evidence of circulation wear. At least by the grading standards I'm familiar with, an EF typically has significantly more high-point circulation than I see here. The cleanness of the fields, luster, high-point detail are more an AU by my reckoning. I cannot comment how this would be graded in Germany--just my opinion.  |
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