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Started A VAM Registry Set I've Always Wanted To. #14

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Just started a PCGS Registry set this week called "The ULDS collection. First coin is a 1922 VAM 1F "Field Break" in AU-50. Set showcases Ultra Late Die State (ULDS) examples obviously. In some cases the die state will be the only one known to exist. Goal of the set is to fill it with the highest graded, latest die states known. It may take me 20 years to complete it but it'll be fun trying to find them. I already have a few. For those who collect Peace $ vams, note that the break on this 1922 1F goes all the way to the 'first' ray which is connected to the 'O' in 'DOLLAR' below it. All late die state examples, up until this point, have shown the break to the 'second' ray above the 'O'. I believe the coin to be the only one to exist in a holder or not.
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 Posted 10/12/2009  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's extremely cool. I guess you realize that you're probably chasing a moving target?

Heck, you're moving the target yourself, with this coin. Are you sticking with Peace dollars for the moment? That's still a big task, considering how many (for instance) '22 and '23 varieties exist which are defined by die breaks. For each of them, there will likely be a "terminal" example out there, somewhere. You could practically do a "die breaks through the Y" subspecialty.
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 Posted 10/13/2009  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a great task to undertake. It will be a true labor of love.
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 Posted 10/13/2009  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just doing Peace dollars and yes, It's a major undertaking. I could find a LDS in 58 only to find someone else has a 62. Here's the 2nd coin in my set now. Note the 3 die breaks in the hair behind the ear too. This is a scarcheek 1922 VAM 5a in PCGS MS-61Started-A-VAM-Registry-Set-I've-Always-Wanted-To.-#14
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 Posted 10/14/2009  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
color me jealous... Very nice coins
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 Posted 10/14/2009  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And now.... #3 A 1923 VAM 1C "Tail on O" PCGS in MS-63 :)

This coin has the start of a rim Cud on the obverse just under the 'G' in 'GOD'. Although hard to view in this photo, there are 6 distinct parallel file lines below the 'DO' in 'DOLLAR' which are mostly contained within the leaves. With just a handful of similar very late die states found, this example shows a hook pattern at the far west end of the break. This die break looks like a mouse in this die state. Knowing what the 64's die states look like, this coin is a pop 1/0 until proven otherwise.
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 Posted 10/15/2009  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Peaceman,

Those are awesome picks! Would love to hear how/where you discovered them.
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Sometimes the stories of the coins are more interesting than the coins themselves. Yes, please tell how you came by them.
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 Posted 10/18/2009  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a VAM collector for many years I have gone through a vast change in collecting habits. At first I was a collector. I then became a dealer in them when prices started going through the roof. This was mostly due to PCGS when they started their registry sets. I've owned almost 75% of all of the top pops at some point in time. I sold a set I had about 50% complete years ago as well. If the pictures in my recyle bin on my computer could only talk... With most of my sales, I know where most of the hundreds of coins I've sold have gone. Right now I'm in the process of buying the ULDS coins back from those colloectors at premiums. Originally I found them mostly on the internet. Now I'm back to being a collector and registry set builder. I'm still buying and selling as well. There are really no "great" stories behind the coins. A few of them I paid under $50 for...
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 Posted 10/23/2009  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been on a lucky streak picking Peace dollars lately. Just picked a 1924-P VAM-5A which is at least a 63. I am waiting to announce my "other" finds until I get them in hand. But I think quite a few people are going to hate me when they see how lucky I have been the past week. LOL
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 Posted 10/23/2009  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ebay? I'm on ebay almost 24/7 cherrypicking... you beat me to it? :) O, Here's another one in my set, a 1922 VAM 2C Extra hair. Here's the description:
This remarkable coin has 3 errors on it. The first error, the die break, is in its final stage of 8 stages for this variety. Note on the neck a small die chip along the die crack coming from the large break in the hair. There are 3 die breaks on this example including the large break, the one above it which is connected to the large break by a die crack and a third, a small die chip, just left of the 2nd break connected as well by a die crack. The second error on the coin is a strike thru on the chin. Finally, a large occluded gas bubble is present going from the 'D' in 'GOD' down between the '1' and '9' in the date. This coin is simply one-of-a-kind. Sorry can't post a link to my PCGS Registry set because I'm not at 100 posts yet. But it's called "The ULDS collection". I'm like 22nd.
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 Posted 10/27/2009  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, you have most of the difficult breaks... Now you need the mustache, ear ring, 1924-P 5-A, whisker cheek/jaw, and the extreme difficult ones are out of the way. Now if you find a 1925-S VAM-3A I will be impressed. (right now I have the only one)
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 Posted 10/28/2009  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be one in this set: http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/all...aspx?s=15279

But what about the 1924 VAM 8a? :) Description after picture..
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This VAM 8A is in an ULDS and possibly the only one known to exist. For later die states of this variety there are 3 distinct 'blobs', of which, the bottom two blobs are connected by a die crack. Once you go to a very LDS coin, you will see that this die crack disappears and is filled in with metal. This ultimately creates just two large die breaks as we see in this example. This coin, however, carries it a couple steps further. Note to the right of the bottom die break there is an additional large die break coming from it. This is not found on very late die state coins. Although it looks like a continuation of the strand of hair coming from the left, it is not. All you need to do is compare it to a normal 1924 die. Also note from that extra extension that there is a die crack coming from it that connects to the very top of the entire die break. Finally, if you follow the die crack down from the lowest large break you'll see a small die chip. Although hard to see in the obverse picture, this die crack runs half way down the neck.
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 Posted 10/28/2009  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL... exactly... Here are links to my most recent picks. I say my 1923-P VAM-1C will challenge yours. LOL

http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/16078983
http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/15698124
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 Posted 10/29/2009  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice 1c. Here's a side by side on them. Your pic is more on an angle so a more flat pic may be in order. Left side of my break looks more like a mouse than yours...

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The 24 5a you have is nice (63) but the lower break doesn't go past the Eagle's feather as in this photo. I have one like it, maybe a little later in 64 that I'll most likely add to my set. I'm not sure yet. Anytime I find something problem free that is a later die state, I just upgrade the set. For me it's a lot of fun.
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 Posted 10/30/2009  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL... I thought that would press your buttons. It is all in fun. Your coin is a little better grade, (which will mean more money), but I think my break is later die state. My reasons are as follows.

The furthest left of the break is almost touching the next ray. And the biggest reason (remember this is just my opinion LOL) is that you break has not formed the "levee" on the bottom of the break. At the latest die states the 1C has a rim on the bottom of the break and I do not see it fully formed on your yet. See how much more pronounced the V in the middle top side of the break on mine is? Mine is a smidgen wider(North and South width, not east to west) than yours, & in turn a little later. However, mine is not graded, nor do I think it will pull the same grade as yours. I think it is AU-58 or MS-60/1. Regardless, these are 2 AWESOME coins we have. Congrats on yours... it is the nicer of the 2!
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