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Is VAMming A Volatile Hobby?

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 Posted 02/12/2010  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm ready for bed, but,,,,,Dave's last post is sifting though my mind......
So I have to say......he's RIGHT ON.........in all those points......I hope you all will RE-READ superdave's last post or bak your chit up and READ...
I felt his comment got passed over from the comments that lead astray from the heart and the heat of the thread....his remarks are about the fundamental Ideas of vaming. and how so many are here to help you get through the basic's..Vamming can and is in many ways a microscopic event......but it doesn't mean you can't see the doubling in front of your eyes.....My first Morgan that hooked me was an 1878P...redfield coin for those of you who know what that is,,,,,DOUBLED EVERTHING.....boy am I excited......one lone pimple(LOL)(Terry) meant VAM 4.......common coin......Still a nice coin but,,,,,It took me into the world of Vaming......I have no regrets either, I have learned a lot over the years it takes time and patience, and aquired knowledge that those here are willing to lend...... and the friends I have met out way any coin I might find....
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 Posted 02/12/2010  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will tell you what vamming is to me. It is a world of intrigue, mystery and treasure hunting all in one. It is about adventure where you pit your wits and knowledge against a coin dealer. It is not for the faint of heart. I suspect this is why there are so many strong personalities in vamming. I like busy coins and they tell a story if you take the time to learn what to look for and why.
By way of example. I was at a coin show today in St. Louis, Missouri and met a fellow vammer. He had with him a 1878-P PCGS MS 61 VAM 9. He paid sixty-nine dollars for it raw.

VAM 9 is the first Morgan dollar die pair. The first Morgan dollar was minted on March 11, 1878 at 3:17 PM. The coin machines of the day could mint up to 90 coins per minute. A newspaper reporter was there to record the event and the first specimen was a presentation gift to then President Rutherford B. Hayes. According to the U.S. Mint records three hundred and three were minted before the dies broke. Besides the mint record, this was reported by the news paper reporter. So the coin I looked at today by extrapolating data was minted between 3:17 PM and 3:20 PM. Now that is numismatic forensics!
Vamming is all about the friends you make and the experiences you can share. You can't put a price on that.
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 Posted 02/13/2010  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! Vam-9 in MS-60+ is a very tough cookie. I suspect that you have already read somewhere my thoughts on the history portion of vam-9 though, 'eh Oz?
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 Posted 02/14/2010  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is beauty all around if you take the time to admire it. There is sorrow and tragedy if you take time to live it. So many people are so afraid of dying they can't make time for living even though from the time they are born, they are living to die. Like always, life is what you choose to make of it. For me,
vamming is a nice distraction as it involves problem solving and is intellectually challenging. It really does force one to understand all of the dynamics that were in play in the minting process. At the same time, I have often wondered what the coiners of yesteryear would think of vamming today? I am certain to a man they would say we are all nuttier than fruitcakes.

As you know, the 1878-P VAM 9 is an interesting study with its widely reported 303 strikings. While I believe the reports to be true,
I personally believe it more likely that the 'broken' dies were later 'cleaned up' and put back into production which I think accounts for the high number of extant VAM 9's we see today.
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 Posted 02/14/2010  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I often wondered too, why many many people seem to have this
VAM 9,,interesting thought there Oz.....
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Keep in mind, for many years that has been the single most desirable VAM, and everybody is looking for them. I suspect the total extant population is very nearly discovered. With that said, I'm inclined to agree that something's fishy about the production numbers vs. known examples.
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Keep in mind, for many years that has been the single most desirable VAM, and everybody is looking for them. I suspect the total extant population is very nearly discovered.


I wholeheartedly agree.

As for the thing about the production numbers vs. known examples, I doubt that anyone has a reasonable handle on either. Anytime a poll is taken, half of the numbers include examples that are now in someone else's possession, or one that they saw somewhere, or a couple that they think that someone else has, etc, etc, and so the numbers are exaggerated.

Many folks express the belief that production levels were in the thousands, while others cling to the romantic story of the reporter and the magic number of 303.

I do not buy into either notion for reasons based on careful personal consideration and research, but I do have a figure in mind which is much closer to 303 than to one thousand.



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 Posted 08/07/2010  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I say that number could well be 403 instead of 303.
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