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Can anybody help? I am looking through all my Morgans and am checking for VAMs. I cam across this 1880s MS Morgan and need some help. Went through Vamworld and can't find this VAM. I know there are a few that don't have pics so it may be one of those or I just missed it. Also there is one pic that I can't decide if it is damage or an error (strikethru, etc). PIC 1: The "1" is doubled to the north. The doubling is raised.  PIC 2: Line in front of the eye  PIC 3: "S" Mintmark. Believe it is a large "S" but could be wrong  Pic 4: DAMAGE? or ERROR?  |
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Nice closeups dumprat, but I know that the resident experts are going to demand shots of both sides of the entire coin. (These experts that we have around here are just so picky  ). |
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Until an expert comes bumbling along, wanting full pictures of obv and rev, let me entertain you with my ignorance of what I see in your pictures: 1. Looks like Strike Doubling to me (machine doubling, coin specific, not in the die) 2. Spiked eye....'may' be a pup (marker), but also, as often as not, may not be listed. 3. Large S. 4. Damage ( PMD). I agree with the experts (who have not yet assessed the situation), full pictures of obverse and reverse of the coin will be necessary for attribution, and even then, there are no guarantees that a match will be found. |
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I'm not an error expert but that looks more like a stike through error rather than a lamination peel. The outline of "U" is intact and I would think it would be disturbed with a lamination peel so close to the edge of the letter. I would sort the vams in the medium "S" reverses and look for your attributes from there. nlp
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Here are the "Entire Coin" Scans. Zeewool: I have to remember "Bumbling along"  Looking closer, I thing Pic 4 is PMD also because on the left side of the coin there is another area which I somehow missed.   |
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I think its a large "S" but really need to see the whole coin date and MM to be sure,, it does look similar to the VAM 33 and VAM 70 for your 1 mint mark I slightly different but there are die markers you could check with for a match..with out the full pics its a best guess with little to go by |
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Aladinslamp: VAM 33 - possibly VAM 70 - I can't find the horizontal line thru arrow feathers and mine does not have the polishing marks on the neck |
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Pillar of the Community
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I see no polishing lines on the reverse,,, try a close up shot of the entire date,
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Here are more pics... Definite doubling of 18 but I don't see any on the 80   |
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I love the 1880's so let me take a crack at it. The large photos look as if this coin has seen heat at sometime in it's life.  I like the eye spike |
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I have this Gene as a Med (S) not a large
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I believe the MM is set left, either way Its not matching up well.. I had considered VAM 44,49,72 for the Large "S" the med "S" don't seem to match up well either..looks to be a double date as well... |
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I figured that the spiked eye would help but can't find any of the VAMs that mention it.
Every time I look at this coin, I find something else to mention it seems.
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What did I tell you dumprat? I don't know anything about attributing vams, (I didn't even know there was such a thing as small, medium and large Ss, but since you mentioned 'large S', and it did seem kinda big, that I would go along with that).
I do know this much though, anytime I stick my foot in my mouth like I did, those who do know better, seem to spring into action, from the woodwork, from thin air, from everywhere, I guess that is why I continue to do it, I get a chance to learn as I am being shamed.
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The mm looks like a med one too me but that could be the photo as it is not straight up and down, it looks like it was taken looking up and from the side. All of my 1880 S large mm's look more defined.
The (1) doubling looks much like the Vam-12. I have 2 of them I just got back from JR and do not have the spiked eye.
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just got back from the gun range, checking in on the progress here..an additional point is there is a chip in the second 8 upper loop. haven't found anything to compare it with. the trouble is most of these listings are like I2R3 at best so not much has been documented for these extra points, I think the basics will have to narrow it down,
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Posted 08/02/2010 2:43 pm
