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 Posted 02/24/2010  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Point taken coinsrfun.

Perhaps messages to our congressional reps would be an effective next step?
Found an online directory of email addresses & telephone numbers to each congressional representative: http://conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm.

Perhaps a collaborative effort among CCF members could be undertaken to draft a boilerplate message that each CCF member could voluntarily send to their respective reps? Just a thought...
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 Posted 02/24/2010  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That is exactly my point... It has been a strong legal stand point for many many years. If the manufacturer/seller is making a product in accordance with the law (IE: telling people that the coin is a replica and not trying to pass it off as real.) and then the buyer uses said product to violate a law then the onus is on the buyer and not the manufacturer/seller.
For instance, if you were to go down to a large chain auto parts store like pepboys/checker/schucks/kragen what have you.. You would find a great deal of products that are not legally allowed to be installed in vehicles in that area. It is not illegal to sell those products or to have those products but it is illegal to install those products and use them when your vehicle is in motion.
Like in California it is illegal to have any colored lights on you car with the exception of white/clear and amber in the front .. red and amber in the back.. In Virginia it is illegal to have a radar detector in your car. In most states it is illegal to have under carriage lighting installed.. but no matter what state you live in you can find multi colored light inserts or covers for side marker and head lights, you can find radar detectors, and you can find under carriage lighting.
The reason they can still sell those parts is because of the small amount of people that use them only for off-road and/or show cars.

The same holds true with coins.. Replica/Copy coins will remain legal because of those people that buy them for reasons that do not include breaking laws.


I understand your point. The problem with it is that all the products you mention are legal in and of themselves.

If the manufacturers/sellers complied with the portion of your post that I highlighted in red I would agree with you. However, the majority of these coins are not marked as copies/replicas. Telling the buyer it's a copy/replica does not comply with the law, they must be marked.

I agree that the onus is on the person that alters a legal replica/copy by removing the mark.
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 Posted 02/24/2010  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So what you are saying is I can counterfeit Half Cents, cents, 2 cents, silver 3 cents, nickel 3 cents, Half Dimes, and nickels without fear of prosecution?

No they would just prosecute you under a different section of the law.


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If the manufacturer/seller is making a product in accordance with the law (IE: telling people that the coin is a replica and not trying to pass it off as real.)

The problem is while they are legal to produce in China under Chinese law, and they are legal to ship out of the country under Chinese law, they are NOT legal to even import into this country under US law. If they are not marked they are illegal, even if they are marked REPLICA they are illegal. The legal requirements for the marking of copies is very specific and these Chinese fakes do not comply. So when you have them shipped to you it is YOU not them that has broken the law.
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you simply have to love the legality issues when it comes to the hot potatoe syndrome....
WHO gets stuck with it in the end, or sells it and its called a fake...now he's the bad guy,,,,,,almost "crack" like in nature...I only made the dope, I didn't pass it on whats wrong?
Sure there are obviously those that are Knowingly sell fakes.....but they usually have to go through all the trouble of casting or reproducing the entire product by themselves,, rather than have the product manufactured in mass productions for them....If the problem was not so prevalent in the market place we probably would not be discussing the topic.......IF they made them 10% bigger there wouldn't be a problem at all.....
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if collectors would spend one minute educating themselves out of every hour they spend crying for "someone to do something" Jinghaushei may not be in business for another ten years. his fakes are so poorly made that they dont need to be 10% larger, they dont need to be stamped REPLICA, they could be of the correct alloy, size, and weight and still not fool a person that knows even the basics of what they collect.
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they dont need to be stamped REPLICA, they could be of the correct alloy, size, and weight and still not fool a person that knows even the basics of what they collect.

Precisely. Add artificial wear and/or toning to the mix and to the uneducated collector, you have a "cool" coin that will look great in their collection.
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they dont need to be stamped REPLICA, they could be of the correct alloy, size, and weight and still not fool a person that knows even the basics of what they collect.


Assuming this statement is correct how do you explain the articles I have read online & in major publications about dealers being fooled & fakes ending up in TPG slabs? Under that logic either the articles are hoaxes, or dealers & TPG graders don't know the basics.
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 Posted 03/03/2010  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or the simple fact that the production of such coins is counterfeiting!
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