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Lower Grade Keys Vs Higher Grade Common's?

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Hi everyone, I'm fairly new to the hobby and have a general question. I know that there isn't a cut and dry answer and there are many factors, but I'm looking for more of a general rule of thumb. If I'm working on a collection that I may sell in the future, is it better to focus on more of the common dates with higher grades? Or the more key dates and semi key dates with lower (more affordable) grades? For instance if I had the option to buy 2 common MS 63 coins for a total of $100 or 1 key date AU 50 for the same price, which would be the better move?

Thanks for your input
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to the forum. I always try to remember that a coin is only worth what someone will pay you for it when its time to sell. I think most here collect for the enjoyment of it and hope that if we have to sell we dont loose money.
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I would recommend going for the semi-key to key date coins and purchase the best grade that you can afford. However if a certain coin be it a common date or not has the eye appeal that you like go for it.
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Thanks daviscfad for the Welcome and advise. And thank you JimR, good advise. So, the lower grade semi key's or key dates may be easier to sell then the higher grade commons.. That's the idea I'm getting.

Thanks again.
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 Posted 02/28/2010  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coins1371 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with JimR
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I read an article recently that had data showing that over the long term, key-dates in high grades appreciate much faster than commons in high grades. This is may be an obvious statement. Just click on the "USA Most Watched Coins" link to the left and you will see that everyone is hunting for the keys. Go to Mercury dimes, everyone is watching the 1916-D. Go to Washingtons, and it's the 1932-S and D that are hot. This high level of demand for these coins is never going to fade. This demand will always keep the prices going up. (assuming numismatics doesn't die out).

So I totally agree with JimR that you should try to buy the highest grade key date that you can afford. If in the distant future you (or your family) have to sell the collection, these key date will be where a [modest] profit can be all but assured.

Separately, depending on what you are collecting, you will see that buying high-grade (IMO, high-grade > MS63 for moderns) commons for not all that much more than an AU/MS slider.

I'm also pretty new to this. And the one skill I wish I had more of is patience. A few things I try to remind myself: All those holes don't need to be filled tomorrow. Save, and buy what you can when you can. Look for bargains. Know what your buying.

Good luck in your hunt.

Troy
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 Posted 02/28/2010  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennrj430 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coins1371 and Troy! It's good to know what I should be keying in on. I'm doing lot's of research before I buy..
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Quote:
key-dates in high grades appreciate much faster than commons in high grades


for the investor.

Of course, that's not what I do! I get the commons as nice as possible and the keys in as good of a condition as I can afford. (That's why my 1916D Mercury dime is a FR-02!) I'd rather have a full album and then I can upgrade over time.

That way your collection is never done!
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Beware of counterfeits on the key dates that you seek. Also some people are extremely talented at altering coins. Before you seek out a key date coin, do your homework and learn as much as yu can about all the small details like mintmark placements and such. The most important part is have fun collecting.
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As you said, there is no correct answer and it depends on what you want to collect for. Personally, I would rather spend $100 on a lower grade key or semi-key than $100 on an MS-65 + common date. For me, it's just simple supply and demand. The rarer coins will always be in demand and very often there just aren't enough to fill the needs of all collectors. Just my 2 cents!
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I really go back and forth. There is something "sacred" about having a scarce -high demand- key date, regardless of the grade. However, I tend to get more bored with key dates, as opposed to high grade common types that have a ton of eye appeal. I look at my type set FAR more often than I look at my complete set of Lincolns, since my lincolns have nowhere near the eye appeal(most in the VF range). For investment purposes, I think that key dates are probably a safer bet due to the continuous demand, but it's really hard to say. All in all, I like to have a little of "both" in my collection, since most high grade key dates are out of my league. I've been drooling over a 1916 quarter incessantly over the last month, and would be content with an AG-3 since I can't really afford a higher grade(maybe G-6 at max if I'm willing to sell some of my gold).
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in your example I would buy the AU key date. I am not sure what type you are planning on collecting but allot of 63's in allot of types are pretty common themselves so when you say a common coin in a common grade its not going to net you very much money when selling as you said you may do sometime in the future. Now if its a super high grade like 67 or above in even common date types the price changes quite a bit. I know you can still buy common date Mercury dimes in MS-66 for about 20 bucks a piece so hopefully you can see what I am trying to describe here. But in the scenario you painted above I would say the key date
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Thanks everyone, it makes sense trying to shoot for the keys at lower grades. I was going to work on Mercury's because I have most of the commons already ( inherited a lot of pretty nice old circulated coins), but I may have to rethink that because the keys are pretty expensive.
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now is an excellent time to buy the key dates, in a series such as Mercury dimes, the coin market is feeling the pressure of MANY people, desperate people, they are selling what they can in order to pay their bills, this is pushing prices down, for the first time in a long time, it is possible to once again buy scarce coins for less than trends, do a 1916-d dime search on ebay. soooooooo many to choose from ! then do a search for an 1872-s dime.
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I am going to parrot everyone else here and suggest buying key dates although I would encourage you to cherrypick and bargain with the sellers. Perhaps you can get some mint state coins for almost uncirculated prices if you are patient enough. I will close off by again stating this quote on this forum...

Common coins will ALWAYS be common and rare coins only get RARER with time. Best value is key dates. I would suggest buying older coins 1850-1920 with mintages of less than 5 million. Some of those coins are not yet high and can be purchased for about the same price as coins with mintages 3 to 6 times higher than that. Best wishes! Sincerely, John Leckrone
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IMHO, as long as a key date is absoltely 100% problem free, you'll be able to sell it when you need to. however, you'll be able to sell it faster if it's a higher grade. Another consideration, higher grade prices go up more than lower grade prices for key dates, so get the highest grade you can afford - your family will thank you in 50 years.
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