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To Clean Or Not To Clean

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 Posted 02/20/2010  3:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add smartelf to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Thanks to bobbyhelmet for help with identification.

Now the big question, should this particular coin be cleaned? I rather like the 3D look it gets from the dirt. But on the other hand it is begging to be cleaned. So looking for some opinion.


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Link To high res version http://i50.tinypic.com/2cyh8hh.jpg
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 Posted 02/20/2010  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halfwitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know much about ancient coins but are you kidding? I think it looks perfect that way. I wouldn't. That coin just looks too good the way it is.JMO.Didn't know those guys were all black dudes anyway.It is Black History month.
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 Posted 02/20/2010  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your happy with the way it looks than leave it along.
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 Posted 02/20/2010  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smartelf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Technicly these coins are copper/bronze. So they would have looked golden when they were new, sort of like copper pennies look today.
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 Posted 02/20/2010  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a great looking coin... "If It Ain't Broke..Don't Fix It"
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Also wondering what the value of this coin would be, or at least some reference for ancient coin values. FORVM has this coin listed for $30, would this coin be worth more/less then the coin pictured. I understand the dealer markup on FORVM
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca....com/Coins2/
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 Posted 02/20/2010  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fcrazo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I'd keep it as is. But if you still want to clean it use a brass brush on a dremel rotary tool. 1st test this on another similar coin for practice such as a Lincoln Cent that must've come out a wishing fountain.

Inexpensive brass brushes and rotary tool can be bought at a Harbor Freight Tools.
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 Posted 02/20/2010  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't ever use a dremel tool to clean ancient coins or any coins for that matter. If you go to the first post on page three of this section you will find some cleaning methods.
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On a semi related note, does anyone have a link to the thread about the guy I think he found a Indian Head cent in floorboards or something and everyone told him not to clean it and he ended up taking a rotory tool to it. I have searched and cant find it, it may have been a while back?
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 Posted 02/21/2010  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tenacious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do NOT clean it. It is perfect as is. Ancient collectors, like me, LOVE that look.

The advice you got to use a dremel was stupid inexperienced uneducated advice. It will ruin this coin and its collectible value.

There is NO WAY you can ever get this coin looking "AS NEW". You will only ruin it.

Again, it's perfect as is.
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The general consensus among ancients collectors is that uncleaned coins should only be cleaned until the coin can be properly identified, or if the patina is devolving into bronze disease. This coin has been identified and the patina looks stable, so conventional wisdom holds that further cleaning is not required.

As for using a dremel, sometimes it is warranted on hard, crusty coins - but only a nylon brush, a brass brush would be way too harsh a treatment. Great care and practice is required, because putting any kind of powered tool onto an ancient artefact can easily ruin it if used carelessly. And again, only to be used until the coin can be identified - which is not warranted in this case.

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On a semi related note, does anyone have a link to the thread about the guy I think he found a Indian Head cent in floorboards or something and everyone told him not to clean it and he ended up taking a rotory tool to it.

Ah yes. The whizzed Indian affair. Whizzing is far more controversial on modern coins than on ancients, because moderns don't (or at least aren't supposed to) have a thick crusty accretion of rocklike dirt around them.
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 Posted 02/21/2010  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few like that,I'd leave it.
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 Posted 02/22/2010  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this looks great - there seems to be some really nice detail on the bust. I personally would leave it 'as is' and would not recommend anything other than a soak in olive oil if you have to have a go at cleaning it.

Be aware though if you do clean it it may become like the Julian coin you have pics of on here - sometimes a bit of original grime and dirt can help the details stand out - without it the text could become very difficult to read.

As far as value goes there are so many Constantine I coins around that the prices are usually low. I'm sure I read somewhere that Constantine minted over 300 million? coins during his 30 year reign, thats why they are so good for beginners to start with.

Unless this one is listed as rare it would prob sell for anywhere between $5 and $15 on ebay. I think ebay is the best ref for pricing coins, books are good but become outdated quickly - ultimately coins are only worth what people are prepared to pay for them.
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 Posted 03/08/2010  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinundrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've a few in similar condition, but am too chicken to clean them. I guess they could use a good scrub, but I know I'd just wind up damaging them. IMO, keep it as is.
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 Posted 05/13/2010  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brunya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that if you like its kind do not clean. Though it should be cleaned.
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 Posted 05/13/2010  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Leviathan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cleaning debate is moot here... basically everyone says 'no no no', but I bet that all have tried at least once. Generally I make a big issue (in my head) of cleaning.. microscope, picks etc etc.. I guess it is the big kid in me.
I also experiment on the more available coins in circulation.. finding a dirty one is like a dream come true, as I am sure to have a cleaning experiment for it!

Ancients demand and deserve time.. I mean they waited millennia for you.
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